Atlanta wins:
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Amazing! I love this city!
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Thanks for the info. I lived in clarkston which was very racially mixed. I was probably a minority there. Mostly it was a positive experience but we had a few issues, mainly with our kids, who had some unpleasant exchanges with other kids. In the up side, our gym was way more fun and funky than most of the gyms Iâve been to in other neighborhoods.
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No problem! Clarkston is still very diverse, thanks in part to the refugee center there. Itâs in a great location, sort near Decatur and of course, close to Your Dekalb Farmerâs Market, one of my favorite places in the entire city of ATL!
Interestingly, my county, Gwinnett was just declared a minority/majority language county:
Itâs been changing demographic wise pretty dramatically in the past decade or so.
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The Farmerâs Market was so great. I miss that more than anything.
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I know right⌠my husband keeps complaining about how itâs out of my way, etc, and even though itâs cheaper, Iâm not saving much money because of the distance from home⌠but itâs on my way home and I just love going there.
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Iâve also been to that farmers market. Small world.
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I used to live about 5 miles away from it.
I never could figure out what all those people did with all that sugar cane, but they sold an awful lot of it.
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Sugar cane looks like more than youâll ever use in a lifetime, but it goes fast.
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OUR Dekalb Farmerâs Market! I love it! I donât know how I feel about the new building they are working on. I wonder how different it will be. I DONâT LIKE CHANGE!!!
I guess the process it at home? I always see the guys running the juicers feeding it into the My parents used to know someone who grew it when I was a kid, and weâd get bits of it and weâd chew it.
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Yes. So much of that sugar cane makes one little sugarcane drink, and that sugarcane drink goes fast.
Then I idly chew on big chunks of the sugarcane.
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Om, nom, nom!
Good times at the farmers market! Yay!
I seriously love that place and itâs kind of silly how much I do love itâŚ
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I used to love chewing sugar cane as a kid. It was a whole big thing to get, because I only got it when we made it out to the French Market, usually when Creole tomatoes weâre in season. I miss the tomatoes more now.
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Not in the States they donât. An argument could be made that theyâve never gotten bloodthirsty enough here, but when last did we see a wave of Bolshevism strike the U.S. that wasnât solely centered on privileged intellectuals and artists or Cold War spies? 1920?
The white American working class, however, particularly the ones without much higher education, are Trumpâs base. Do you think itâs coincidental that they find themselves outnumbered by PoC in the working class? Do you not think part of their racist passion might be inflamed by the idea that many of their opportunities for advancement might be threatened by those selfsame PoC?
The Right has built this crab bucket on a foundation of Reaganomics. Without that foundation, what traction would fascism find? What grievances could it purport to address?
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I have heard and read that FDR stopped things getting so bad that a communist revolution would inevitably happen (or worse, a fascist dictatorship).
I get the feeling that the DSA are trying to do that now, but the problem is getting the Democratic Party to understand that it is needed again.
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Middle and upper class. Fascism in Rome consisted of rule by the Senate (heads of the Mafia families that dispensed privilege) and the Knights (the business class.) This was exactly how Mussolini planned for his fascism to function. Businessmen got privileges and access to power in exchange for bribery and corruption being dispensed - like Mussoâs one off sports car. Wyndham Lewis commented that for an artist fascism was easier than Communism, because under fascism youâd just have to churn out the occasional portrait of a gladiator or some such.
Without, therefore, pejorative intent, the US has become fascist and so has the UK. The government dispenses privilege and the corporations get their way at a price. The individual citizen is powerless - though in the case of the UK thatâs because they have been fooled into not voting for an actual alternative, whereas in the US the choice seems to be between helotry and being a metic, i.e. actual fascism versus Athenian oligarchy.
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No, they arenât. Trumpâs main base is the less-educated half of the white middle class.
This is the white working class:
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I think youâre being unjustifiably monolithic. Do you know these people?
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I am, of course, speaking in generalities. And, no, I do not have a close personal relationship with significant numbers of working class Americans; most of the Americans I know are the middle class folks around here and at the other place. My analysis is based upon a reading of history and current events [1].
There are certainly Trump supporters amongst the white working class. And there are certainly middle class suburbanites amongst the anti fascists.
But I do not believe the characterisation of Trumpâs support as based in the white working class to be accurate or supported by the evidence. Trumpâs electoral base was in the suburban middle class; I donât see any reason to expect that to have changed.
Ever since the election, the middle/upper class white Liberal commentariat has been attempting to deflect responsibility for Trump onto the poor. Itâs understandable, but false.
The big movement in the working class vote wasnât a surge of support for Trump; it was a collapse of support for Clinton. Millions of working class Obama voters stayed home, as they correctly perceived that the centre-right Dems did not represent their interests. But very few of them went so far as to shift to the fascists.
The rise of American fascism was not due to ignorant rednecks; it was planned and plotted by billionaires in boardrooms.
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[1] And has been somewhat argued into the ground at the other place. Search for @wanderfound & âworking classâ and youâll find plenty to read.
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This.
The current generation of fascism has been carefully plotted over the past few decades. Roger Stone and Paul Manafort have been behind almost literally all of it, including the big orchestrated scandals, and including grooming Trump for the presidency.
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