RIP. We'll miss you

One of the real greats and a lost soul. A lost, dark soul for some years.

Not unexpected. I’m sure many of us watched Questlove’s documentary recently.

I had recently started playing music again and a bunch of Sly songs were in my repertoire.

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That is so awful. I feel so bad for her mother. :sob:

RIP, Jax.

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What a talent. He will be missed

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I read an interview with one of his daughters recently and she said he had grown up into a typical Black grandfather talking on the stoop with his buddy about cars. I think that was the gist.

Anyway, he’s basically been missed from music for 50 years through drug addiction, at least he returned to his family by the end. Or was that in the film?

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:sob: :sob: :sob:

Anybody who knows me knows I am a hardcore Beach Boys fan, so this hits me really, really hard.

Of course, I knew this day would eventually come – sooner rather than later. I even kind of joked about it over at TOP:

But it seems like for Wilson that the past year or so has been especially tough with his wife dying, and the public announcement that he would be going into a conservatorship and 24/7 care due to dementia.

The man led a tough life filled with physical and mental abuse, drug addiction, and incapactitating mental illness. Some 50 years ago, I doubt anybody would have predicted that he would long outlive his two brothers, but here we are.

In other words, I’ve been steeling myself for this news for a while now. That doesn’t make it hurt any less. I take solace in the fact that his creations and talent will live on forever, and will continue to inspire musicians across all genres for generations to follow.

There’s any number of videos, photos, or other media of Brian I could pick to close this out. Instead, I’ll post this track by avant-garde rapper JPEGMAFIA where he justifies himself as ā€œyoung Black Brian Wilsonā€:

Still can’t believe I’m gettin’ paid off this art today (Damn, Peggy)
I’m the medicine man (Yeah), keep a zip in my hand (Yeah)
I do work on the stage (Haha), I still feel like a fan
Uh, when I pass I hope everything I did matter to you, baby, if it didn’t
Fuck it, when my body frigid (Yeah), all this music gon’ keep Peggy livin’
It’s the young, black, Brian Wilson
Smile at these crackers who want me dead (Ack)
Fire helmets won’t protect your head (Brrt)
Don’t get sent to Jesus filled with lead, lil’ nigga

ETA:
Post about when I saw Brian Wilson perform in 2019:

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The term ā€˜musical genius’ is overused, but Brian Wilson really was a musical genius. Even tracks like Good Vibrations, which the average person probably doesn’t think much about other than it being some old song, is kind of insanely good, if you know much about music. It’s kind of nuts, really. Even the Beatles were kind of blown away, and a little intimidated, by it. RIP.

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For me a musician’s passing that unexpectedly hit me hard was Chris Cornell. I always liked his music but never really counted myself as a hardcore fan, but after his passing i was listening to his music and realized that so much of his music was basically the theme song for so much of my youth. And yeah sure i could say the same for other artists of that era but there was something about his music that just stuck out.

Anyway when i had that realization that his music was more important to me than i realized and that he was dead i just… cried. I still have a hard time listening to his music, i get the feels but maybe enough time has passed that i can enjoy it again. Maybe.

But back to your post, its sad that Brian Wilson had a hard life and a difficult end of it at that. At least he’s now resting in peace and left behind a hell of a legacy.

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He really was, and for much of his life he didn’t like to be called that. I’m sure part of it was due to the pressures of trying to live up the expectations placed upon him, to his own impostor syndrome doubts brought about from some of his high profile failures. I feel like once he started to get his shit together after being released from Eugene Landy’s evil influence, he didn’t embrace it so much as warm up to it a little more. He was quoted as saying something along the lines of, ā€œif you have to live up to something, it may as well be thatā€.

But back to the ā€œmusical geniusā€ – he wasn’t classically trained in the academic sense. (Not saying he came up from nothing – he grew up in a musical household, and had a highly trained ear, but it’s not like he was a Mozart-like child prodigy playing complex arrangements when barely out of diapers.) He benefited from an innate understanding music and theory, and perhaps most of all had a willingness to break all the rules.

Whenever I’ve heard classically trained musicians talk about things that Brian wrote, I often hear them marveling over certain chord changes and unconventional signatures that simply shouldn’t work, but yet they do.

Good Vibrations had so many innovations that we never appreciated at its time. Things that are taken for granted today – especially how it was lot of little pieces recorded in different studios and then carefully spliced together to make a complete song. These days most music is done like this (of course, it’s all computerized versus being done by hand carefully splicing tapes together). Wilson called this ā€œmodular recordingā€ and intended the ill-fated Smile album to be like this with a whole bunch of bits and pieces that could be combined into any number of songs. For a later example, the Beach Boys’ Love You album was almost all Brian screwing around with synthesizers. In 1976.

As the story goes, the band could have kept going along with wildly artistic and experimental stuff, but there was a Mike Love-led contingent who wanted to stick with the commercial stuff that sold well and the Brian Wilson-led continginent who wanted to push the limits of what they could do. Ultimately the Mike Love contingent won out and you ended up with what would become a pure nostalgia act with mostly forgettable releases from the late 1970s up until their final album in 2012. (Which, to be fair, was way better than it had any business being mostly because Brian wrote most of it.)

Indeed. I’ll definitely be pouring one out for him today, but I’m going to try to balance that with that he gave us so much through his decades in music and was actively performing and touring up until just a couple of years ago (whether or not that was a good idea can be debated, but not right now). I’m happy he finally gets to rest.

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I’ve never been a huge fan, but yeah, their songs are better than most people realize…

I’ve always loved this song…

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It was unlike anything out there in Pop music… polymorphic enough to be called Brian’s ā€œpocket symphonyā€, and among so many great songs from that era.

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So did Paul McCartney. He said it was one of the greatest songs ever written—high praise.

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Has anyone here seen Love & Mercy, a biopic drama of Brian Wilson? Excellent film with Paul Dano brilliant as Wilson. Lots of ā€œsong-buildingā€ details; sent to 7th heaven when character Carol Kaye–legendary–appeared in the film’s Good Vibrations recording session.

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Indeed. McCartney said he got to perform it once with Brian and basically was emotionally overwhelmed by the experience.

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I saw it recently. It was nice. Gave a good layman’s version of what Brian Wilson accomplished, even if you don’t have the musical chops to understand how innovative it was.

I saw the Beach Boys in the late 80’s. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t touring with them then. What I remember the most from the show was them doing a key change acapala (spelling?). It was amazing to hear them stay together as a group as they navigated the key change. One of those impressive stunts of musicality that has stayed with me, much like Clarence Gatemouth Brown playing the violin so fast it seemed impossible that hands could move that quickly - then topping it and going even faster.

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When purists complain and ask why some particular musician (especially in classical music) plays a particular piece too fast, the general reaction I’ve seen is, ā€œBecause she/he can!ā€ :grin:

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Had you noticed there’s a (kind of) recent mini-series of Beach Boys videos with those same young actors? In that sense, it reminded me of Stephen Sanchez’s videos (which I pointed out to our 10th grader, who’s a huge fan).

Just remembered that, for no particular reason last night*, I decided to listen to ā€œOur Prayer.ā€
*(other than it’s a beautiful favorite)

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Dano was phenominal and worth noting that he did a lot of his own singing. I also have to give John Cusak credit for his portrayal of middle aged BW. While to me Cusak looked nothing like 1980s Wilson (compared to Dano who was a spitting image of 1960s Wilson), Cusak’s use of speech, mannerisms, and tics were so on point that it allowed me to suspend disbelief.

As a whole, for a Hollywood biopic I think it does a pretty good job even if as a fan I would sometimes get frustrated as the glossing over or complete omission of certain things. I did find the use of parallel timelines to be a brave choice and it made it more interesting.

One problem when telling any sort of Beach Boys story is that there’s a lot of ā€œyou can’t make this shit upā€ reality throughout their career. There was just so much drama, tragedy, and overall weirdness that it would take hours to unpack all of it. If you start to include the ā€œsupporting actsā€ like Van Dyke Parks and others, it gets even weirder.

That was one of my biggest gripes about the Disney documentary that came out recently. The bulk of its runtime was re-treading the 1960s more or less glossing over everything that happened after Pet Sounds. There’s brief mentions of the Manson Family, but nothing about Eugene Landy, or anything about the deaths of Dennis and Carl. What it needed was an uncompromised 6+ hour Get Back treatment, not a 2 hour love fest. Unfortunately, Mike Love would never allow for this.

A truly excellent documentary series is the unauthorized but very high quality ā€œBrian Wilson: Singer/Songwriterā€ that comes in 2 parts – 1962-1969, and 1969-1982. It’s often on Amazon Prime but can also be found on YouTube if the copyright bots don’t get to it first. It covers a mind boggling amount of breadth and depth in its 5 or so hour runtime.

There’s also the authorized Beautiful Dreamer documentary about Brian Wilson finally finishing Smile in the early 2000s. It goes into a lot of depth about the original creation and breakdown during creating Smile in the 1960s, along with the struggles and triumph to finally complete it in 2004:

(Potato quality, sadly.)

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Along with Scarface, I remember him for playing Alexander Fomin, the even-tempered pragmatic spy/NKVD officer in the tv movie The Missiles of October.

I can still remember his very last line in Scarface: ā€œFuck you!ā€

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I was just coming to post that…

He’s one of those actors who everyone has probably seen at least once in something…

In fact, he was in one of the best season 1 episodes of Deep Space Nine (Duet) as Marritza, a file clerk at a forced labor camp known for some awful atrocities…

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