Did she? She had a lot of specific policies. And it was the same thing that is happening with Warren now - no one actually wants to talk details.
Biden, on the other hand, is truly running on empty.
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Of course she did. But, to reduce her campaign down to just the slogan: her message was “I’m With Her.” There’s no promise within that slogan; there’s no vision. Nothing besides, “Vote for me because I’m Hillary Clinton, and he’s Donald Trump.”
Eight months before the first primaries might be a little early to expect details. But Warren has been at least offering an outline of what she wants to accomplish: abolishing student debt, legalization of marijuana, ending offshore drilling, making it easier to prosecute corporate executives for crimes committed under their watch, and paying for it all by a wealth tax targeted at the 0.1%.
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One wonders if she made some deal with him and will be made VP?
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Ugh. I hadn’t even considered a Biden/Clinton ticket.
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In the stupid timeline… I wouldn’t be surprised…
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Happy cake day!
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Wait… what? Oh! Thanks!
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Cake Week started a week ago, so you must be on the tail end of that.
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Not sure if this is the best place for this, but a difference in approach I thought was interesting:
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i can appreciate both takes. i think Bernie was smart to take them up on it, and Faux was certainly taken aback by how popular he was to their in-studio audience, but Warren’s reasons for turning them down are also totally valid. i hope she still reaches their audience another way, because i think if their audiences gives her a listen, they might also be persuaded.
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I’m with @Franko here: I have a hard time disagreeing with either of them. On the one hand, I would shed zero tears if Fox News headquarters was swallowed by the earth, its assets confiscated to pay off sexual harassment lawsuits, and its place on the TV dial treated like the 13th floor of an apartment building: everyone has a superstitious dread of living there, so you just pretend that number doesn’t exist anymore. And Warren’s strategy is more likely to make that occur than Sanders’ is.
On the other hand, there’s a bunch of people who may agree with you, who you’ll only be able to reach by appearing there. It’s outreach to the people who might not be able to bring themselves to identify as a supporter of the Democratic Party, but might be convinced to shift to Independent, or to vote once for a good candidate running under the (D) umbrella, and Bernie’s approach works better for that than Warren’s does.
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I can agree with both takes but think Warren’s take has the better “optics”. It’s a better “political” move. Not that I mean it to sound sinister, but she’s clearly smarter in an area that Bernie isn’t. It’s shrewder and shows a greater understanding of group dynamics. Bernie gained ground in the debate but also lost ground by humoring Fux News, so it’s a lateral move for him, I think. Elizabeth Warren gained ground, I think, by refusing to humor them and also refusing to debate Bernie. She and he are too close together ideologically, so a debate between the two of them would hurt them both… and that’s how you get President Joe Biden.
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God I love her.
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Certainly.
Yeah, Sanders can fall on that grenade. If he bombs, oh well, at least it wasn’t her. If he succeeds, it’s a dry run for her ideas.
I don’t think his ideas are necessarily better accepted because he’s a white man. Do you really think that Fux News viewers have a positive impression of Jewish atheists?
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He is a white man, and he doesn’t have a in-your-face Jewish name (compare to something like Mordecai Richler). While you’re listening to him, he’s just some white guy from Vermont.
Being a woman, on the other hand, like being a POC, is always in front of the viewer.
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Yeah, I suppose if you’re a stereotypical white person from flyover country, you wouldn’t assume he was Jewish if you didn’t know already. Then again, someone like that would probably think Mordecai Richler is a German Lutheran name. Not even joking. They don’t like Jews, but wouldn’t be able to recognize one to save their life.
He has a very stereotypical Jewish accent. So unless you’re one of the clueless people mentioned above, you can tell he’s Jewish.
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Sanders has a NYC accent.
I worked for two different men who grew up in Brooklyn, one is Jewish, the other was 7th Day Adventist - they both had/have the same accent.
There is no “Jewish” accent.
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Tell that to the thousands of people living in predominantly Jewish communities.
Jewish immigrants (from Europe) may have a European accent sprinkled with Yiddish and/or Hebrew, but I’ve not heard of kids born here picking it up except as a second accent, so to speak. If it’s an insular community, I suppose it could happen. My wife just sounds like where she was born, or did, as we’ve moved around. I sound generic American, but I can do a passable southern accent (though I don’t know if I’d fool anyone down south).
To my ear, Bernie just sounds like a New Yorker (city, that is).
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