Um.... what.... aka, this is the dumbest thing I've ever read

But he cautioned against being overly precious about the value of deeply understanding one’s code, which is no longer necessary to ensure that it works.

It would be crazy if in an auto factory people…"

I was expecting the next line to be “understand how cars work,” because that’s the proper analogy, based on the previous sentiment. It’s the equally stupid parallel. (Though the given analogy is also stupid - and wrong. I mean, of course they’re measuring to make sure angles are correct - i.e. have quality control. They don’t just assume the machines are doing what they’re supposed to, even though they fully understand and have control of every step and aspect of the process, unlike with genAI code. Also, the idea that you don’t have to have a deep understanding to ensure that it works is only correct for a very strange and limited value of “works.” And of course when it stops working, you’d be totally screwed.)

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I prefer ignoranus.

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Vance, when he heard there was a Settee Institute in Mountain View:
KIr-PR-655356989

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Yeah, that’s crazy talk.

He is clearly working toward having an entirely native, local class of servants.

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I’ve been kind of wondering when the right will start in on “smoking is great for you actually”, which seems like a very natural addition at this point.

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nothin’ better than a cig with a tall, cold glass o’ raw milk.

:nauseated_face:

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My question was when they would shift from pushing cigarettes to alternatives they claim are less harmful (to smokers and those around them):

I can just imagine people indoors or in other non-smoking areas saying, “It’s ok, because this is not a cigarette.”

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They’ve been doing this for awhile. Dr. Mike interviewed this right wing conspiracy theory doctor last year who spouted nonsense about health benefits from smoking.

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No, it’s true, I saw it in this documentary.

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I grew up hearing from my smoking parents that cigarettes weren’t that bad for you and one of the things they always trotted out was that one of my relatives had been prescribed menthol cigarettes to treat asthma. That person later died of cancer btw. Later my dad, while struggling with COPD that he neglected, insisted that the cigarettes were keeping his lungs working actually because the tar was trapping all the toxins from his former workplace.

I’m 99% sure my dad died of undiagnosed cancer ultimately based on documents from an er visit that I found after he died.

more than just smoking is/was at play but my point is that the architecture of denial around smoking was constructed in his childhood and hasn’t really gone anywhere .

Now that another new generation is finding nicotine, many of whom have no contact with people as far back in the past as my dead family, the time is ripe for an antivax/raw milk movement against vaping and extolling the health benefits of smoking regular cigs.

Would not even surprise me at all.

“Suppressed medical research from altria in 1966!”

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Where did this “if you don’t like my cigarette smoke/loud music/barking dog/virus aerosol, that’s YOUR problem” attitude come from anyway?

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Years of the American public being fed a toxic hyper-individualist ideology from those who push for even more extreme forms of neoliberalism, primarily…

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Neoliberalism. That is the core of it I think. Partially because I think the leadership class of people (Ceos, politicians, and social thought-curators) have found that this is a really effective way to distract people and keep them from forming meaningful interest groups.

In reality, more people are losing freedoms. I think people actually do feel that in the water. One way or another. One way this manifests is literally just having to live around more people.

To older folks who maybe grew up going “out back” and shooting beercans there is this idea that “other people” took that freedom from you but the reality is that there just weren’t as many people around.

Now people expect that kind of freedom in the wooded areas behind a densely populated apartment complex and feel indignity when it isn’t smiled upon.

I don’t think some of these people have really become more ideologically motivated by neoliberalism, but I think the bullshit narratives feel real to them because what they see is “I’m being told to inconvenience myself for others and those others don’t belong here or else I wouldn’t be inconvenienced by them…”

So the refrain becomes:
They are changing my life. They are crowding me out. I should cough at them or shoot them so I can avoid being attacked by the demands of others in my home. It’s a real victim mindset that basically DARVOS antisocial behaviors and legitimizes symptoms of actual disorders (for certain people). Toxic as fuck.

I agree the motivation is neolliberalism (I saw a CEO literally say “we” like high cost of housing because it ensures cheaper labor) but the reason people believe it I think isn’t neoliberalism which is why they hate “liberals” so much even though what they HATE is in fact the… loss of liberty.

My POV is mainly from red state land though, I have no idea where the entitlement comes from in other populations. I just mean a lot of people here believe this way, but ALSO basically have this conformist and populist belief system which is also completely counter to big businesses neoliberalism. Frankly I think this mismatch is what birthed MAGA (that and racism, of course).

It’s stupid but one way to defang a resistance I guess is to take people’s rights but get them to fight over something else with all the anger they feel as those losses build up stress in their lives.

Is it your shitty pay and bad housing prospects that you are mad about? NOOOOO it’s Karen and her stupid mask. It’s Crystal and her only fans. It’s Jorge and his greencard. It’s one woman breeding and another not because either way it’s wrong. And it just goes on and on from there…

Because the bizarre thing I see is that people only even take a “neoliberal” small government take on some issues but on more important and impactful problems in their own lives they seem content to lick a boot.

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The cigarettes mask the smell of the bacterial contamination.

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Yeah, that is weird. Part of it is the postmodern media landscape, I think, where we’re all getting our information from different places, and the root of the problem is placed in different places. Fox tells their audience one thing, MSNBC/NPR another… one is obviously more fact based, but even MSNBC/NPR has real gaps in their coverage/reporting that ignores the problems caused by neo-liberalism. Because, they too are part of that whole ecosystem, like it or not.

I thought this video was a really thoughtful discussion on postmodernism by Michael Burns was interesting…

He discusses this Fredric Jameson essay (which is like 40 pages)…

These things are all mixed up - neoliberalism, postmodernism, end of/late capitalism, etc…

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there’s the thing that trips me up in discussing this worldview. and i ask in my earnest ignorance of the nuance to you and @tornpapernapkin and others with better understanding…
how is this neoliberalism so different from the “get the government out of everything and leave me and mine alone” libertarianism ideology?
i ask in honest good faith…

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