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Bankers realising that everyone hates them…

I doubt that they’ll find many dim enough to fall for that.

Fred Hampton’s bed after the FBI were done with him:

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And why they killed him:

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It’s mostly baseless, most of the US involvement was spread around in 2016 where US inaction was twisted into actively supporting the military coup and subsequent government. Zelaya’s constitutional reform was to allow his re-election, and it was extremely partisan in reception. So the opposition party controlled Supreme Court ordered Zelaya to be removed by the military. By the time things were established as a military coup it was time for an election for the next president so the focus became trying to ensure the results were democratic - which by all indication they were.

The problem is that when the Conservative party overseeing the coup, the suspension of rights, etc get elected they never gave back those suspended rights. And now they have a laughibly corrupt conservative who is hypocritically seeking to secure his seat of power - the very action they used to exile the political left and then target the left in their country.

How this becomes the USes fault is mostly because we didn’t go to war against the overreach in political power by Zelaya’s ousting and didn’t immediately condemn it, the laws were not broken so much as stretched as the party did what the US GOP is mostly doing now. On top of that, it’s easy to say their constitution was only at risk because the US involvement in the 80s. If anything, it’s a very similar circumstance to the US government with more time and continued absolute party control across the government.

A dear friend of the family is likely going to be deported back there, because unlike the “youth” our right-wing party is targeting immigrants and minorities.

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Now Libya is a mess because the US removed a bad government and replaced it with nothing. Pretty much the polar opposite to Honduras.

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There’s a bit more to it than that.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/02/libya-intervention-nato-imperialism/

It appears that the Libyan uprising was substantially manufactured by the West (i.e. equipping local insurgents and assuring them of support if they attack the government) in order to provide an excuse to overthrow Qaddafi.

It also appears that the West (not just the USA; France was heavily involved as well) were severely non-selective in their choice of local proxies, and those armed proxies are now wreaking havoc across Africa. At least one of the Western-backed groups was already openly declaring their intention to ethnically cleanse Black Libyans, and is now involved in the revived Libyan slave trade.

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https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/937726128952958976

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Thread:

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https://twitter.com/played_straight/status/937657198859182083

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https://twitter.com/omanreagan/status/937799863239974912

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Twitter anarchists and communists squabbling:

Some interesting debate in the comments (plus a lot of snark and flames).

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TBH, I distrust hardcore anything that claims to have all the answers or that there are easy answers. I don’t care where you sit on the 4-D political spectrum.

The answers are never* easy, and nobody’s got all of them.

*Unless your philosophy is “kill all X (or X,Y,Z etc.)” at which point the answer is quite easy: you are wrong, your opinions are wrong, and you need to be kept well away from everyone else. Mars will do nicely, for now. Basically, the more harm you do, the more wrong you are.

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I agree in general, but I can see areas where I would be inclined to quibble.

How absolute are you about the edge cases? For example, armed liberation struggles, stopping Nazi Germany, slave revolts, etc.

The Haitian revolution was followed by the massacre of all the remaining French people on Haiti. While I don’t endorse the massacre, I don’t think that it negates the virtue of the Haitian liberation struggle.

Does it make a difference if “all X” is a freely chosen behaviour rather than an immutable identity? e.g. “kill all the slavers”? What about if it’s a mix of identity and behaviour: e.g. “death to kings”?

I’m not a fan of violence when there are better solutions available, but I do think that oppressed people have the right to defend themselves by any means necessary, including the mass application of lethal force.

Is there a sharp distinction between immediate self-defence, preemptive self-defence and vengeance?

If the US Civil War had ended with every slaver hanging from a rope, I would not have objected. I probably would have classified it as a mix of preemptive defence and vengeful justice.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/Phillippines-Anti-Communist-War-1500-Indigenous-Face-Displacement-Food-Blockade-20171203-0022.html

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(context = Joy Reid)

There are still liberal folks constantly pulling this style of bigoted dickishness on BB. For example:

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(linking image rather than post because this is more than an individual problem, and I don’t want to target any particular poster)

I’ve mostly given up on trying to stop it, but it pisses me off every time. How hard is it to remember to punch up?

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LibTwitter today:

“Billy Bush! John Yoo! Welcome to the #Resistance!”

They’re also keeping up the “how dare you impugn the honor of the noble FBI?!” bullshit.

Including some who are openly calling for sedition prosecutions…

Very Woodrow.