Election Fallout

I feel like there are some good points in there, though am awfully sick of the double standard where Democrats are responsible for everything and any mistake they make “naturally” forces people to vote for Republicans, as though that’s not a deliberate choice they made. They might be anti-establishment second but they are bigots first and cruelty will always be a higher priority to them than actually fixing things, even things that affect them personally.

By 2028, if even a fraction of the policies pushed by Trump become law, an increasingly furious America will begin to pay attention.

This feels hopelessly naive to me. Both the idea that anything, ever, will be enough to get America to pay attention and the certainty that there will still be elections in 2028.

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If we analyze 2016 vs 2020 vs 2024, one lesson we’ve learned is that America is deeply misogynistic. However, the other lesson learned is that the biggest enemy of Republicans’ electoral hopes is their own governance. T**** so badly fucked up everything in his first term that people showed up to remove him. Somehow, those people forgot just how bad things were in 2020 (and even before then). Well, now they get a 2nd dose of getting kicked in the crotch. That will already have an impact in the midterm elections, and, if anything, that’s more important than the presidential election. Dems taking back significant majorities in the House and Senate will be critical both for curtailing the damage done by T**** but also in setting the stage for 2028 in repairing the damage and making forward progress.

The key is surviving the interim. Remember to put our own oxygen mask on before helping others (but do help others!).

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Well isn’t this special.

He freakin’ won but he’s still not happy.

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This is because ABC caved in. Now he thinks he can badger everyone.

The president-elect is making the claim under the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act, which prohibits deceptive advertising.

He was not harmed by the poll and it wasn’t advertising, so not sure how this lawsuit would even go foward? Maybe @danimagoo would know.

“The odds of success here are slim to none, but winning in court is not likely the real goal of this lawsuit," said Clay Calvert, a media law expert and professor at the University of Florida’s Levin College of Law. "The true motivation is to intimidate the press and journalists. I unfortunately suspect this lawsuit is just a harbinger of things to come.”

Yep.

Let’s hope CBS/60 minutes doesn’t blink.

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Johnson denied that the evolving package amounts to a so-called “Christmas tree omnibus,” but confirmed that the measure is not a clean continuing resolution and will include a disaster relief package – reported to be more than $100 billion – as well as $10 billion for the agricultural community.

So, the basis for the “shitshow” type comments are that the budget includes money for disaster relief, disasters that overwhelmingly struck red states, and money for farmers, who overwhelmingly voted for Il Douche. Clearly entering the FO stage of FAFO, but will they realize what they have done to themselves? Of course not, they will blame it on Biden, or Harris, or Hunter, or trans or whatever. I hate where this is going.

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Yeah calling his odds slim is generous. I haven’t looked at the poll results f that particular poll, but I’d bet the actual election was within the margin of error of the poll, so not only wasn’t there harm, they weren’t even deceptive. And yes, they weren’t advertising anything, so I doubt that law is even applicable. But ABC’s settlement has emboldened them.

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FWIW I just looked it up. It was conducted from Oct 28-31 and surveyed 808 likely Iowa voters. It said that Harris was in the lead 47% to 44%, and claimed a (obviously mistaken in retrospect) margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percent.

The actual result in Iowa was Trump winning 56% to 42.7%. So the poll was wrong, like many other polls have been. But that’s a far cry from showing that it was intentionally deceptive or malicious.

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Yup. It’s like trying to make a black hole satisfied.

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Prison time coming soon for Liz Cheney?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/17/us/politics/liz-cheney-jan-6-house-republicans.html

https://archive.ph/plykw

Headline and sub, since neither link seems to be oneboxed:

House Republicans Call for Liz Cheney to Be Investigated Over Jan. 6 Committee Role

Ms. Cheney defended her work on the select committee in a detailed statement, and called the report “a malicious and cowardly assault on the truth.”

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If they want to get rid of congressional Immunity under the speech and debate clause; I think they’ll need a constitutional amendment.

I think they can’t even compel her to testify?

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S6-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013300/

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“In politics, it’s always the right move to extend a hand,” said Jared Leopold, a Democratic strategist and former DGA staffer. “And if somebody chooses to slap you in the face instead, you better make sure you catch it on camera.”

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Yes, pathetic and ridiculously wrong. Extending a hand across the aisle has been the exact opposite of everything the GOP has done for decades. And their many ways of doing the opposite have proven “right moves” for them, as evinced by their having won all three branches and the SCOTUS.

Why oh why do so many Dems think the many slaps they’ve received in response to their extended hands won’t keep coming, along with derisive laughter and a gut punch here and there?

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Right? Like Biden didn’t reach across the aisle and work with Republicans? He literally compromised on all kinds of shit just to get legislation passed, and then Republicans still go and accuse him of being a divisive President.

Our two parties in a nutshell:

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I think it is because they have bought into the idea that only Dems have agency, and anything shitty MAGAts do is because we were “mean” to them or some such. Anything bad that happens is Dems fault for this reason, and yet nothing that Dems do that benefits people gets any credit. This one puzzles me more, honestly. But if the Dems are going to help the MAGAts dismantle our democracy, that is a sure way to lose their loyal base and condemn the country to autocracy.

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This is the one that kills me:

Talk about not learning a damn thing from this disastrous election. The Dems moved so far to the right in this election that Harris promised a cabinet position to a Republican (probably Cheney), at least two Democratic Senate candidates threw trans people under the bus, and all three of those lost. Progressives, on the other hand, did pretty well, at least in the general election, when they hadn’t been primaried by centrists. But sure, let’s continue to shove younger more progressive leaders to the side, and double down on the geriatric centrists, because that’s proved to be such a winning strategy.

I’m very close to wanting the Democratic Party to just completely collapse and be replaced by an actual Progressive Party. Well…I do want that, really. I’m just not sure that can happen without the GOP gaining total and permanent control of everything.

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This. I don’t think it can happen until the Republican party dissolves into internecine warfare, which I think will happen in the next 2 years. They have dug so deeply into the idea of opposing government action in all things that, when they are the government I do not think they can change. Witness the hissy fits thrown over money for disaster relief for their constituents. But this will get blamed on the Dems as well.

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The Iron Law of Institutions, created by political blogger Jon Schwarz, states:[1]

“”The people who control institutions care first and foremost about their power within the institution rather than the power of the institution itself. Thus, they would rather the institution “fail” while they remain in power within the institution than for the institution to “succeed” if that requires them to lose power within the institution.

source

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Remember, this was the guy who had the 2016 election map literally framed up just outside the Oval Office and would give out signed copies to people when they visited him. He’s still 5, hoping people put his crayon drawings up on the fridge, tell him he’s a good boy, and pat him on the head.

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