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Unfortunately, the Korean 4b movement is associated with transphobia and homophobia. A US version needn’t be such, but at least one group, the West 4B Movement, are explicitly TERFs.
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Is it? I had not heard that, but I hadn’t heard of it at all until 3 days ago.
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That’s nice to hear.
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Well, I hadn’t heard of it either until the recent post here, so I should probably say “reportedly.” I may be over relying on Reddit posts, TikTok videos, wikipedia, and such, but I can’t find other good sources right now. (Hadn’t intended on starting such a digressive research project so late.)
Reportedly, many of the Korean 4B members emerged from Womad, a site which seems more than a little sketchy. Kim Ji-yeon, the “4B Movement Queen,”, allegedly campaigned against the admission of a transgender student at Sookmyung Women’s University.
I don’t really feel these are necessarily the best of sources, but at least it seems concerning. If I’m wrong, my apologies.
At any rate, the West 4B Movement, are easily found online and proudly identify themselves as TERFs, so I feel confident I got that part right. There do seem to be other 4B groups in the US, so they needn’t be all bad, here or in Korea for that matter.
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Yes. The Tump Dynasty is not going to end peacefully.
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He asks the questions: Why didn’t they listen? How do you talk to them?
He had no idea.
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I think this is dangerous. I could be wrong but I have been watching the places where this “advice” is popping up and I also do not trust it. imo propaganda about 4b concurrent with fascist prez and increasing threats of rape are part of an overall emergent behavior that will justify rape, marital rape laws being repealed, etc. It’s part of misogyny and victim blaming and puts the onus on women again to suffer one way or another and/or justifies the accusation of “frigidity” as “political activism”.
I don’t think Terfs are good people and I don’t care what they call themselves with their fake “feminism.” I don’t think they are good people even to cis women let alone the rest of the world.
This is just one more step closer to sex policing cis girls and it functions as a convenient a lie to guys to make them hate their wives or the women/girls around them who don’t love them even more. If that isn’t the “purpose” but is the end result I don’t have the bandwidth personally to care about the difference that much. Any surprise it’s being blasted where alienated youth are thought to dwell online?
I distrust the message itself.
Like finding oneself in a Gingerbread house with an unattended oven.
It is politicizing the right to abstain from sex for women and making it a transgressive act.
But it is natural to avoid sex sometimes and should be respected that some people may not want to have sex when having sex is dangerous and painful on some level for any reason.
I won’t do that to other women, personally.
No one who doesn’t want sex or who wants sex should feel that they must have or not have sex to achieve a political goal. To me, this is just another way to control our bodies and politicize them… Korean or not. Should there be implicit “trust” for detritus from Korean political movements whose operatives and motivations we almost certainly cannot know?
I dunno if I’m articulating this well but I just… I have to call it like i see it and I don’t trust this “advice” or the house it is coming from.
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I just wanted to drop in and offer my 2 cents. I skipped approximately 500 posts to get down here because I know that emotions are running high.
The results of this election have me and my family scared, sad, angry, and confused. We don’t know what’s going to happen in January, and how much worse it’s going to get. That’s coming from someone whose natural privilege will shield them from most of the direct consequences.
I also wanted to take a moment to remind you that whatever you’re feeling right now is valid. I can’t know what this is like for you, so I won’t try to speculate. I do know this: The vast majority of people here are feeling some variation of the emotions you are feeling right now, but they may be attempting to cope with it differently or expressing it in ways that you might not fully agree with. As others have pointed, remember that you are interacting with another person, so try to accept them as they are, flaws and all.
That said, being angry, sad, scared, and confused are totally fine things to do here. Personal attacks are absolutely not OK, nor are attempts to silence people and minimize their feelings. If you see something that you think is not OK, please flag it and I’ll take a look at it. Do understand that I’m likely to prioritize the voices of the frequently marginalized. There are plenty of places on the internet where normal people can be themselves. I want this to be a place where it’s easier for people who don’t fit that description can feel safe. Please try to be patient with me and with the community as a whole while we work towards that goal.
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Thank you both for expressing this. I was really unsure about this movement because (a) I had never heard of it until a few days ago, and (b) something about it wasn’t sitting right with me. You have both justified and clarified my concerns.
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“Controversial” now means illegal. Like ordering the military against people in the country.
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Yeah. CNN and other corporate media outlets seem likely to offer even higher levels of sanewashing, perhaps in fear of getting shut down by the upcoming regime if they don’t.
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An old stats colleague of mine who does political polling consulting (yes, i give him lots of friendly grief about that, but it does keep his refrigerator full), likes to point out how obviously biased, (“almost push polling”) the poll efforts are on social media. These are often discounted, waved aside, by saying they aren’t serious polls, “they’re just for fun” etc, but to his horror they do often get sucked into “serious” aggregator reports. So he sent me the current poll on TMZ* (yes, that’s a nicely ‘superficial’ site, but it’s very popular). And there’s at least two items worth gritting teeth over; as in classical “push polling” (e.g. no sane options given) form:
The ones to note are “Harris woulda [sic] Won IF” and “Democrats Will Learn From Their Loss”, setups which permit no sensible choices and clearly imply that Democrats have (much) to learn, whereas republicans clearly don’t? -sigh- (and no, i don’t know if one should be on Martha Stewart’s “side” or her ex’s)
*if you go and place your vote you can view the numbers the vox populi are selecting among dubious options
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- We have to fight every fight in Congress. We won’t always win, but we can slow or sometimes limit Trump’s destruction. With every fight, we can build political power to put more checks on his administration and build the foundation for future wins.
The rest of Warren's strategy pep talk
During the Trump years, Congress stepped up its oversight of his unprecedented corruption and abuses of power.
In the Senate, Democrats gave no quarter to radical Trump nominees; we asked tough questions and held the Senate floor for hours to slow down confirmation and expose Republican extremism.
These tactics doomed some nominations entirely, laid the groundwork for other cabinet officials to later resign in disgrace, and brought scrutiny that somewhat constrained Trump’s efforts.
Remember the GOP’s attempts to repeal the ACA? Dems did not have the votes to stop them. Nevertheless, patients kept up a relentless rotation of meetings in Congress, activists in wheelchairs performed civil disobedience, and lawmakers used every tactic possible. The GOP lost.
Democrats should also acknowledge that seeking a middle ground with a man who calls immigrants “animals” and says he will “protect” women “whether the women like it or not” is unlikely to land in a good place.
Uniting against Trump’s legislative agenda is good politics because it is good policy. Democratic opposition to Trump’s tax bill drove Trump’s approval ratings to what was then the lowest levels of his administration, helping spark one of the largest blue waves in recent history.
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We must fight Trump in the courts. Yes, extremist courts, including a Supreme Court stocked with MAGA loyalists, are poised to rubber-stamp Trump’s lawlessness. But litigation can slow Trump down, give us time to prepare and help the vulnerable, and deliver some victories.
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I understand my assignment in the Senate, and we must focus on what each of us can do. Whether it’s running for office, supporting a neighbor’s campaign, or getting involved in an organization taking action, we all have to continue to make investments in our democracy.
Our work must include states that are passed over as “too red.” The political position we’re in is not permanent, and we have the power to make change if we fight for it.
- While still in charge of the Senate and the White House, we must work with urgency and do all we can to safeguard our democracy.
To resist Trump’s threats to abuse state power against what he calls “the enemy within,” Pentagon leaders should issue a directive now reiterating that the military’s oath is to the Constitution.
And Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer must use every minute of the end-of-year legislative session to confirm federal judges and key regulators—none of whom can be removed by the next President.
To those feeling despair: remember, every step toward progress in American history came after the darkness of defeat. Abolitionists, suffragettes, Dreamers, and marchers for civil rights and marriage equality all faced impossible odds, but they persisted. Now it is our turn.
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Am I misremembering? I thought Harris did do Rogan’s podcast.
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i believe there was a ‘last minute’ “it’s not going to happen” because the Harris camp stipulated some changes in the infamous Rogan setup… maybe.
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