Elections 2023-2024

wait… I’m going to show my ignorance here, but an incoming president can reverse a presidential pardon?
i had no idea.
why couldn’t Biden reverse tRump’s pardons of so many obvious criminal assholes?
oh, right… because “we” don’t play that way :roll_eyes:

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Once a presidential pardon is accepted by the pardonee, it cannot be reversed, and they cannot be tried for the same crime again (double jeopardy).

As you say, Biden won’t do it, but he totally should.

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Do things that will piss Trump off.

Give Zelenskyy the presidential medal of freedom. Declassify any docs related to Trump, Putin, Roger Stone, the Trump kids, Stephen Miller and others.

Declare a national monument in honor of some trans people.

Finally get medical bills off credit reports.

Deport Musk for being an illegal alien.

Grant amnesty to all undocumented immigrants.

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I really like and respect Robert Reich, but this still misses the point that overlooking T****’s bigotry and criminal actions is in itself bigotry. Those voters don’t get a pass for overlooking T****’s obvious bigotry in order to mistakenly assuage their own rage.

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Yeah, I noticed that too. He overshot his shot that way. It’s both, of course.

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Great start! Too bad Biden is so committed to decorum and such. The monument seems most possible to me.

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Also, we saw Trump in action. Whatever people thought he might shake up in 2016, this time around it should have been clear the only ones he wanted to take on were the little people. He had a billionaire doing jumping jacks at his side while he libeled poor Haitians. I don’t believe for a moment people thought he would punch up, they want him to kick down.

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I agree with that…

He probably should, but I don’t think he will…

YES!!! But who? :thinking:

Double yes.

Triple yes!!!

I agree.

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Hmmm…as a national monument they would have to be deceased and Americans.

I’ll suggest some names to get rolling:

Jenny June
Sylvia Rivera
Marsha P. Johnson
Lynn Conway
Reid Erickson
Christine Jorgeson
Dr. Alan L. Hart
Lucy Hicks Anderson
Lou Sullivan

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I sent my suggestions to a friend- he responded:

“And pardon every Democrat (and the few Republicans) who opposed Trump for anything they did prior to January 20, 2025!!!”

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Excellent idea!

But again, just a fantasy… :pensive:

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Double jeopardy until it hits SCotUS and they decide the pardon can be reversed, 6-3.

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It does seem like the bull is in the China shop now, and any and all rules seem breakable. Hell, look at all the crimes AND convictions Tromp has already gotten away with.

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Isn’t there a statue of Marsha P. Johnson at the Stonewall site in NYC? Is that on City or state or Federal land?

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It’s at the community center.

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Ah! Thanks!

I was surprised that I knew most of the folks on the list there… Had never heard of Lucy Hicks Anderson, Lou Sullivan or Jenny June, but the others I was familiar with… I guess I’ve been edumacating myself!

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A friend of mine was on the team that recovered the Jenny June documents when he worked at Drexel

Not so fun fact; Jonathan Ned Katz a prominent gay historian & transphobe first wrote about the the Cercle Hermaphroditos as the first gay rights organization.

It was transgender- I think he ignores it now as a first - not sure though. But it was the first LGBTQ org in the U.S.
Maybe still is.

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Ugh… why is it so hard for some people to be inclusive… it seems even worse to me when it comes from another group that has a history of marginalization… I guess that’s where intersectionality comes in…some people will defend whatever little bit of privilege they have by some aspects of their identity and try to use it to pull themselves up by helping in the oppression of others… Don’t they understand by now that

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Maybe he’s changed.

But he was using language that delegitimized our existence & would often refer to what were obviously trans people in our community as gay - like “passing women”. Like what happened to Alan Hart.

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Cat and Girl lovingly punches me in the guts again.

Chickens Coming Home / I woke up at one A.M. and checked the election results. / Then I couldn't sleep. / I was thinking about my great-great-grandfather. / He fought in the Civil War / The first one - for the Confederacy. / And when my father talked about him, he always referred to him in the same way - / As a SUCKER. / Him and all the other white subsistence farmers in the part of eastern Mississippi where the soil was no good. SUCKERS. / They found bigotry and superiority so compelling that they would act against their own economic interest - even LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES - / To protect the monstrously ill-gotten fortunes of a small white Southern elite. / We live - now - in an oligarchy / And the oligarchs got the president they wanted. / And some of their voters - the poor, the weak, the pregnant - will find themselves laying down their lives to protect the fortunes of the oligarchs. / Am I a sucker? I vote for candidates beholden to the oligarchs who value precedence and decorum. / So probably. / At three I fell back asleep and dreamt of the last piece of chicken in the world. / Everyone fighting over it / Tearing off the last pieces of flesh as they get smaller and smaller / Gnawing on the cartilage / Until nothing was left by the bones.

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