[LNN] 22-year old 3dshacker groomed, planned to sex a minor below UK's age of consent

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Here I was thinking you have giant balls of steel to question this particular eternal verity, but what, you’re actually surprised that some folks aren’t prepared to be all detached and intellectual about it?

This is as hot-button as hot-button issues get - it takes balls of steel to even just like one or two of your comments on the subject. Reasonable folks lose their shit on this one.

I agree that in principle, there’s value in questioning every assumption, and I know people are putting words in your mouth and distorting your position, but nonetheless I’m gonna have to distance myself from it a bit.

Sure, the notion that 17 years and 364 days is too young under any circumstances doesn’t go back all that far, and may well not last many centuries unmodified, but if you look at how universal and deeply held the emotive dogma is around it, it’s obvious the price of questioning it is prohibitive.

No good is likely to come of this.

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BTW, what’s the [LNN] in the thread title mean?

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Lounge News Network. In the pre-category days, it was a way for distinguishing news articles (with a snarky tone) from other content.

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That’s a fawning way to say “hey, nice post supporting adults fucking goddamn children.” You may want to rethink your policy of blindly supporting the popo before you wind up supporting violence against minorities. #BlueNamesMatter

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Socialists were often between a rock and hard space, since fledgling socialist state were unfairly accused of things like babu eating. Blindly defending the Soviet union was a bad idea, though their knee jerk response was understandable.

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See what I mean, Popo?

Look at this fucken shit.

Polite benefit of the doubt? Pff, he said something I can misconstrue as excusing kiddy fiddling. Pitchfork sharpened, torch lit.

Tino, pull your head in, dude. One thing I am fucking never, is fawning.

It seems we have very few true SF fans here after all; I don’t see anyone who’s taken ‘all laws are local’ to heart.

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I went against my better judgement to say anything here… I can see it now: three dozen posts required to clarify my position on the matter, dammit

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And now, in a shocking turn of events, the very moderators of /r/3dshacks who approved the original article have deleted it with the excuse of not wanting to put people off 3ds modding. You can’t make this shit up!

https://www.reddit.com/r/3dshacks/comments/67evbs/an_explanation_of_current_events_myself/

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This shit’s fucken radioactive.

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Archived version of original article: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/un69v

After TheCruel being arrested and convicted AGAIN for cp possession and distribution, I can understand wanting to examine the people around you. And it turns out the moderators of /r/3dshacks are not people I want to be around.

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Even the name 3dshacks has a slightly creepy ring to it… Try it on something else; eg, teddy bear hacks.

I can see how it might attract dodgy types.

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Oh yes. To make this even creepier, it wasn’t as if they had propositioned at random and whoops, asked a 15 year old. Perp had begun sexually explicit conversations while aware target was 14. Perp had obviously planned ahead of time and checked age of consent laws with Wikipedia. At best, perp was so extremely negligent. Most likely just a monster.

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The kinds of members who are tolerated by community leaders despite their consistently crappy and creepy behaviour are called “missing stairs.” Here’s a recent example from a SF convention. There are many reasons why they’re permitted to stick around, but most often it seems a genuine desire by people who were marginalised and excluded themselves (e.g. various geek and kink and academic subcultures) to be as inclusive as possible – to a fault.

But enough about what’s going on in this thread. It sounds like /r/3dshacks has its own serious problem in this regard.

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Um, the culture of teenage girls having sexual activity with older men has been around for a looooong time (how old was Adam before he had that ribectomy, I wonder?). I can’t explain it

I was 16 in 1980. Boys my age considered me ugly, and if any of ‘em didn’t, they sure didn’t tell me. I also hung out with adults because there was no one my age to hang out with; my brother’s seven years older than I, and Mom and Dad were 38 and 41, respectively, when I was born. I was precocious intellectually. I later on had “daddy” issues big-time. So older men - like 21 and over - being attracted to me because to them, yeah, I was pretty in their, and yeah, I could talk with big words and understand them…well, for someone like me, that was pert’ near irresistible.

Needless to say, not all of those men had my best interests at heart. I’m not saying I wasn’t preyed upon, because I was; but I can’t honestly say that I wasn’t treated as an equal by some of them, because I was. Now, at the age of 52, and 20/15 hindsight, I can see that um, I was majorly fucked-up in the head and the heart (though some of my peers…whoah, went off.the.charts!); but my dad was having an affair, and the rest of us weren’t seeing the elephant, and, blahblahblah.

Older men and women who aren’t emotionally developed enough to be able to have healthy-as-possible relationships with their peers are gonna turn to younger ones. And there’s gonna be young men and women who think they’re grown-up enough to deal with older ones as equals. There are occasions when it actually works out, but for the most part, uh NO.

Ever hear of Sable Starr? To me, she was so sad.

And all of this, as is usual, is IMNSHO, fwthiw.

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I was a virgin till I was 17.5, btw. Most of my peers had lost their cherries by age 13; a few’d gotten pregnant by 15. So, I was still odd. How sick is is that virgins and sluts of both and any genders were and still are shamed for being virgins or sluts (sorry, off-topic, but fingers wouldn’t stop)?

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Hm. I’ve been thinking a bit about somebody I know, who at 14 created a dating profile. Children really have no concept of how short time is, nor how exploitative and abusive some people can be; this is why we have laws against providing minors with alcohol, laws against child endangerment, and especially why we have statutory rape laws against relationships like the one outline in the original post.

As a teenager, there was a vast chasm of experience and knowledge in a two year age gap. Though I am also the same age as the pred, I cannot relate to them at all.

One of my contacts from an old gaming clan complains to me that nobody will date them - on a daily basis. I can understand not wanting to be alone or feeling left out. But there is nothing magical about getting it on; it will not invest you with the full powers of adulthood nor the experience to navigate it. My wise old mentor taught me the value of patience. I only wish damn kids would learn the same.

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Due to that frequent characteristic of emotional immaturity and self-centeredness*, most men and women who enter into these relationships don’t have Dan Savage’s Campsite Rule at the top of their priority list:

In any relationship, but particularly those with a large age and/or experience gap, the older partner/more experienced partner has the responsibility to leave the younger/less experienced partner in at least as good a state (emotionally and physically) as before the relationship. The campsite rule includes things like leaving the younger/less experienced partner with no STDs, no unwanted pregnancies, and not overburdening them with emotional and sexual baggage.

[* e.g. seeing their experiences as the only ones that matter and discounting those of others]

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Youth is wasted on the young, for sure! But then there’s this viewpoint:

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Jesus… are you me? I was a late in life oops, my brother are both a decade+ older than me and my Dad was gone. So when one of my brothers friends asked to be my date to my Jr. High School graduation, I thought nothing of it, I’d been hanging out with my brothers and their friends all my life. Save I was 13 and he was 24. My Mother put the kibosh on that pretty quickly. But, oh those daddy issues don’t just go away do they? /sigh

So yes, age of consent laws are super fucking important, and anyone who argues in favour of “dating” children gets a serious side eye from me.

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I couldn’t get a date for my high-school prom, so I got lawn tickets at Pine Knob to see Eric Clapton, then asked my brother if he knew anyone who was a fan. I ended up going with his best-friend-at-the-time, who was 34, twice my age.

Did I mention I was an alcoholic, too? Shades of Sarah T., LOL! But seriously…yeah…trying to be grown-up when one’s not ready for it, even if one’s readier than one’s peers, is not a good idea.

And remember the Jordache ads?

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Kimmo, I make no assumptions about your open-mindedness or being willing to defend an unpopular opinion.

But I’m sorry, I don’t believe the person you’re sticking up for is arguing in good faith; the line about ducking crockery pretty much demonstrates that.

It’s not being outside the norm; this is just straight trolling and attention whoring.

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