W/r to the Clintons, the transgression wasn’t a foundational part oft heir marriage, so HRC doesn’t really have to answer for that. Standing by your spouse when he or she has cheated is pretty normal, and not the same thing as standing by your spouse when they forced you into a relationship.
As for the stalking, one could argue that Macron is a different person than he was at 15, but he’s not 100% a different person. Creepy 15-year-olds quite often grow up to be creepy adults; just look at Trump.
Conversely, while I don’t know anything at all about the individuals that triggered the thread, except that they are 22 and 15, which to my elderly mind makes them both children. Full brain maturity is not reached by 22. I think there is a problem saying that a 15-year-old stalker is not responsible for his actions, but a 22-year-old whatever he is is.
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But no one is saying that?[/quote]
Would that that were true.
This is honestly the weirdest conversation.
I agree with that, but honestly that is pretty common when this kind of issue arises and anyone does anything other than throw eggs along with everyone else.
I don’t really know if Clinton belongs in the same category as “grab 'em by the pussy”
I would say worse, as in his case he was in a position of both trust and authority with a very very young woman, and among the violations was that of her trust. Which makes me sad, as I voted for him twice, did some campaigning for him, and still think he is one of the best presidents of my lifetime.
You brought the Clintons into this as a comparison, I am just saying they don’t fit well. I brought the recent history with Trump because “stand by your man” is not a terrific idea in society but is understandable in the circumstances, but it is a fear of impropriety justifying targeting her judgement for things that happened to her decades ago.
And most 15 year olds are not just creepy but (especially men) are given a free pass for being that way - whether it is peeping, obsessing/stalking, leering, etc. we currently live in a world where women are told they can’t dress normally in school because not of 15 year old boys.
I brought Bill Clinton in, and his case fits too well.
And most 15 year olds are not just creepy but (especially men) are given a free pass for being that way - whether it is peeping, obsessing/stalking, leering, etc. we currently live in a world where women are told they can’t dress normally in school because not of 15 year old boys.
I don’t think you can lump stalking in with other typical adolescent male behaviors. For sure neither I nor any of my friends found ourselves compelled by our hormones to stalk 40-year-old women and break up their marriages, and I find the idea of writing such behavior off as normal as troubling.
Pretty sure peeping is right up there with stalking and is famously condoned in media, and your application of stalking is by your own assertion and not a forgone conclusion.