Not Feminism 101

First take upon reading the headline: we do?

I mean, I’ve had some queen bees, but I’ve had some… king bees? too.

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I mean… I prefer male bosses… cuz they’re easier to work for, and I’m a slacker. LOL

Women work their employees much harder, IME. Because men have less to prove in the workplace. Female bosses have more to prove and thus require more from their workers. I’ve seen this and worked this first hand.

My main job these days is to listen attentively to my male boss, sometimes he tells me about his daughters, or his TV script, sometimes its about work, but it is my job to listen to him, I’m good at it, he enjoys it, whatever, I get paid well so I don’t really care. But I’ve never had a female boss require me to sit attentively, smile and listen to them speak about whatever for 30 minutes.

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In R.U.R., the robots are cheaper when they don’t feel human.

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The slacker part of me prefers male bosses, because they’re more easygoing, but the easily bored part of me prefers female bosses, because they will always find something challenging for me to do.

I work in a male dominated building in a male dominated company in a male dominated industry. Shit doesn’t get done here. Most people just stand around flapping their jaws about football or whatever. There’s at least one guy near me who sleeps at his desk. I kill time by coming here when I’m supposed to be working, and I’m one of the more prolific people here!

If I were the boss, I would encourage conversations like that. Working for a big faceless company for decades sucks the life out of people. It’s important to have outside interests and passions, because passions drive people. If someone loses that passion, it will most assuredly carry over into their work, and more importantly, life without passion is kinda shitty.

Then again, that kind of thinking is why I’m not the boss.

Yeah, being required to sit there attentively and smile and listen just strikes me a little odd. Definitely a little sexism there, combined with guys not used to being told that what they’re saying isn’t important and they should shut up and let a man talk :confused:

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Just like me.

(I think that was kinda the point of the story)

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You don’t say! LOL
"easygoing" is not how I’d put it. Entitled and lazy and sexist is how I’d put it. But again, I’m a GenX slacker through and through, I have no real ambitions other than “pay the mortgage, retire to the country” so whatever. I know I’m not doing any of the sisterhood any favours in allowing this to go on… but these are the last batches of the “old white men”, they still hold all the power, they still do all the hiring, and unfortunately they still require me to sit and smile and listen to their stories, every day. One day soon they’ll retire, and so will I, and hopefully this will be done.

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Good point. I just don’t notice it because I’ve never been subjected to it.

Yep. Same. To me, work is for paying the bills. I work to live, I don’t live to work. If someone pays me more, or treats me better, or offers more benefits, you better goddamn believe I’m switching jobs. But because we don’t work for one big faceless company for decades at a time like the previous generations did, and because we don’t have the same blind respect for white male authority figures that they did, that makes us slackers. Fine by me. I see what working hard without working smart does to people.

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I have – 30 minutes or more. One of them once followed me into a bathroom stall (we’d both decided to relieve ourselves) because she was so big on eye contact and talking talking talking she lost track of her surroundings.

She’d talk herself out of things too. She started one talk praising me for something and by the end of an hour and a quarter it was the worst thing I’d ever done.

She’d talk through prep time and then scold me for not being ready after she’d eaten up all my work time by talking.

Then I’ve had men bosses who would assign giant tasks half an hour before quitting time, expect it for first thing the next morning, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge they’d just made me work half the night.

Then there was the project manager who, upon learning I’d been hit by a drunk driver on the weekend, immediately said, “I’m glad it didn’t happen on a workday so it doesn’t impact the schedule”. No “how are you feeling” or anything.

So in net, no gender differences. Good and bad bosses all along the spectrum.

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Speak for yourself! I’m in a union! I’m not going no where! I have a pension! (I’m literally like one of two people I know of my friends that has a pension, she’s union too.) I’m staying here another 20 years!!

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Oh man the bathroom thing is the best!
Our toilets are pretty far from our offices so you often meet people coming or going in the hallway, if its my boss, he’ll start talking and follow me all the way to the door. If he was a woman he’d come inside for sure.

I have had bad and good bosses of both genders. And I still say, for me personally in my career, working for men has been “easier”. I’m not saying better/worse, just easier. There was one associate dean here, a lady, who was famous for sending 2AM emails and then pouncing on people when they walked in the door at 9AM expecting results. I never had an issue with her tho… I should teach a secret class “How to manage your manager”. :wink:

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Not union, but on track for the last white-collar pension. 13.5 years to go. Only a lottery win will move me out any sooner!

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Oh, to live in a place where unions are still tolerated!

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Hence my lack of desire to move up and do supervisory/management stuff. Yes, it’s more money. It’s also more stress and more “I must deal with people.” I have no desire to end up walking away early from frustration, like my father.

This be me, too. Given my debts and the need to pay them down, it is the only retirement income I have coming (no RRSP, can’t afford it). I’m just crossing my fingers that said pension isn’t too badly fucked by the time it’s time for me to collect it.

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Technically, I have literally another 20 years to go… /sob
But they’ll likely buy me out at 17… 16 if a take a package.
Provided we don’t turn into a post nuclear horroscape by then…

Also, this is still my fave thread. Man what tangents do we have eh? Go team feminism!

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It all fits though. The only jobs with money coming in are paid jobs. Feminism means women have greater options for well-paid jobs.

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I try to get everyone I know a job here. Its awesome here. Come work here! The benefits are great! :slight_smile:

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“Here” is UofT, right?

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Nope.
And shush up your face! Doxing! :wink:

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In my whole career of tech I have never had a female boss. My boss’s boss is a woman and so is her boss, so there’s that. They seem like good enough managers, as good as any male.

When I was in retail I had a few women managers and I enjoyed working for them.

Mostly my bosses have just left me alone, anyhow. Early on in my career I had one boss who really mentored me, but even then, most of the time I was left alone so much that I frequently left the office two hours early and no one even knew.

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