Our Felonious Ex-President

Having read your edited post… I still don’t think we’re reading the same thing out of Carmon’s tweet.

Your post is about how you don’t like Trump and how “all folks” aren’t as base as Carmon is implying… but she isn’t talking about all folks, or about you in particular: she’s talking about those who do find appeal in him.

Republicans (and conservatives everywhere) employ fear-based rhetoric. That’s one of their main distinctions from more left-leaning groups. I can’t see how it is in any way controversial (or “dopey”) to say that part of the appeal that Trump has towards his supporters is that he attacks certain groups that they’ve been taught to be fearful of.

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And I don’t know how exactly to explain how I do see it that way…it seems so craven, even for them, is the closest I can get.

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Do they mean elipses, which would indicate something left out? Which isn’t surprising.

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Yes. Ellipses are not used by the official transcriptionists. There’s a bunch of other odd things about the document they released that doesn’t square with official transcripts, either, like stamps. Also if you speak out the words, it’s only 10 minutes of material. Was supposed to be a 30 minute call.

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Well, they spelled it wrong in the headline. An ellipse is an oval. An elipsis is a …
I couldn’t read the article; do they spell it that way there?
Not that it makes any difference to tomato-twunt’s crimes and misdemeanors.

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Sorry, can’t get past the WaPo’s firewall – us this the transcript that’s supposed to exonerate Trump, but instead buried him deeper?

This is starting to sound distinctly like a foolish rich person’s problem. As in, they have people to do that, and can’t be bothered to check such mundanities themselves, but the people they have to do that were hired because they are good-looking or friends or relatives, not because they’re good at the job. Sometimes despite that they don’t want the job, but just want to keep the fragile network in place.

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ellipse

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Ellipsis (note the double L) shares its plural (ellipses) with the geometrical figure. For that matter, “ellipse” is also an alternate form of ellipsis (or ellipsis is an alternate definition of ellipse, if you want).

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He’s using naughty words now.
He is able to spell those correctly.

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TLDR: the White House released a fake transcript

President Trump said Wednesday that his controversial July call with his Ukrainian counterpart was transcribed “word-for-word, comma-for-comma,” an assertion that fueled growing questions about the nature and completeness of an official memorandum about the call released by the White House last week.
“This is an exact word-for-word transcript of the conversation, taken by very talented stenographers,” Trump said.
White House officials previously had portrayed the document as not a verbatim transcription but rather a summary that closely tracked the words the president used in his July 25 call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky. They said it was being released in a bid to bring transparency and clarity to a call at the heart of a consuming political scandal that has sparked a House impeachment investigation.
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But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an “official word-for-word transcript” of the call — words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday — creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out.
Current and former U.S. officials studying the document pointed to several elements that, they say, indicate that the document may have been handled in an unusual way.
Those include the use of ellipses — punctuation indicating that information has been deleted for clarity or other reasons — that traditionally have not appeared in summaries of presidential calls with foreign leaders, according to the current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the elaborate, non-public process.
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In two of the cases when ellipses were used, they accompanied Trump’s reference to cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike, which is at the center of a conservative conspiracy theory about a computer server central to the company’s investigation of the Russian hack of Democratic Party computers that, according to those pushing the theory, is hidden away in Ukraine.
The use of ellipses in this passage fueled questions about what may have been removed and why.
The five-page document reports Trump said, “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it.”
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In the third use of ellipses, Trump was asking Zelensky about a different theory — also sometimes aired in the extreme corners of the Internet and on some conservative news networks — that Democratic presidential candidate Joseph Biden had, while vice president, demanded the removal of a prosecutor looking to investigate Biden’s son Hunter.
“Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me,” according to the call document.
The White House declined to comment Wednesday about the unusual markings or other apparent discrepancies. Shortly after the document’s release last week, a White House official had said that the ellipses did not indicate missing words but referred to “a trailing off of a voice or pause,” and called it standard practice for records of presidential phone calls.
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Current and former officials said that would be slightly different from previous practice. They said when presidents simply trail off in a way that note-takers can’t hear, that point traditionally has been marked “[inaudible]." When fragments of sentences aren’t readily understood by note-takers, or when comments repeat a previous thought, they said, the transcripts had often been marked with dashes.
Others have noted the brevity of a document purporting to represent a call that lasted 30 minutes. Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) had two of his office’s interns read the call summary aloud, measuring its length with a stopwatch app. The time: 10 minutes 40 seconds, or roughly 20 minutes shorter than the White House’s assertion about the call’s length.
“Our motivating question was: How much don’t we know?” King said. “There has to be an inquiry to get to the facts."
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The memorandum of Trump’s call with Zelensky appears remarkably different in speed and content from the full transcripts of calls between President Trump and foreign leaders The Washington Post obtained in 2017.
The transcript of a 24-minute call with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, in which both the participants spoke English, included roughly 3,200 words, or about 133 words per minute. A 53-minute call with then-Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, in which both Trump and the Mexican president spoke through interpreters, included roughly 5,500 words, or about 102 words per minute.
The White House summary of Trump’s 30-minute call with Zelensky — which included interpreters because Zelensky spoke Ukrainian while Trump spoke English — includes fewer than 2,000 words, or roughly 65 words per minute. That suggests that the rough transcript of the Zelensky call includes about half the number of words that would be expected if the call had proceeded at the same or similar pace as the previous calls.
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It was unclear whether the interpretation of the Zelensky call occurred simultaneously as the presidents were speaking or took place after a participant had finished speaking. The latter would have affected the speed of the conversation.
(Neither the Turnbull nor the Peña Nieto transcript included ellipses.)
The record of the presidential call with Zelensky, which is labeled “MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION,” was marked as having been produced by note-takers in the White House Situation Room, as is standard for calls with foreign leaders. The record, however, is unusual for lacking a tracking number that would normally indicate it had been circulated to senior subject experts and the national security adviser’s office for review and edits. Instead of a “package” number, the memo released by the White House carries a stamp saying: “
The document additionally carries classification markings that Situation Room staffers do not normally add when they create a word-for-word transcript, current and former officials said.

“I thought to myself, ‘This didn’t go through the normal process,’ ” said one former government official who was among several who handled these records and found the document released by the White House curious.

The whistleblower said in his complaint that multiple U.S. officials had alerted him that “senior White House officials had intervened to ‘lock down’ all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced — as is customary — by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.“

Such phone calls also typically create at least two types of documents: a verbatim transcript made by note-takers in the White House Situation Room and an edited summary that is more widely circulated.

“The one that was released is not the one the Situation Room created,” said one person familiar with the creation of records of calls with foreign leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the secretive process. “That’s just not possible.”

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OK, let’s take a look at this exact transcript, and see what the talented people wrote. Right on the first page it says: “not a verbatim transcript of a discussion.” […] Mr. President, is it possible that you can’t read?

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Or that he doesn’t understand “no” or “not”?

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he’d have to have somebody else write his tweets for him

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I didn’t know that. Interesting how English loves to be confusing. So the headline is correct.

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The two meanings predate English – both are imports of the same Greek word, which originally means falling short. In the case of the punctuation, the mark shows where the text falls short of what should be there. In the case of the shape, you make it by slicing a cone at an angle that falls short of the side (nappe).

It occurs to me that although people sometimes imagine etymology as what words “really” mean, it’s the ones where the meaning has wandered farthest that are the most interesting, because that’s where there’s some story in them.

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Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.

-Terry Pratchett.

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He… just… doesn’t… stop…

But, for some brighter news:

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People who are unfamiliar with this world may not be aware that there is a group, a very large group, of people who are prepping for a race war/ a civil war. They are heavily armed. They are talking through discussion groups online aimed at people in law enforcement and who are proficient with guns.

I know because my husband and his friends were part of this world, and it got to the point that they scared me with what they were hiding from me. We had easily over 30 guns in my home and I had no idea what the fear was, what they were being laid up for, but I knew that it wasn’t just an interest in shooting that was driving it.

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