Personally I like Gravel, but he looks like shit on TV, he’s barely younger than Jimmy Carter, he’s simply not going to be the nominee, and the BB authors who are interested in politics are already supporting other candidates.
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Hurrah. Give the man a triple venti half-sweet non-fat caramel macchiato. On the house.
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Thread:
Especially:
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Not this guy:
“You know that some of the other issues, he’s got to evolve with the times, which he has,” O’Brien added. “But there are points where you need to make a stand, so I was very glad to see him not back off on this issue.”
A stand for segregation.
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Yeah, no, there’s a reason he didn’t fly in the 80s either.
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Further, I think it was a tossup between him and Clinton as VP choice, more to avoid the potential damage from either. If Biden had stayed in the Senate to show his colors wrt health care, class, and race.
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it’s hard to say why he didn’t get on the ladder to see them – i suspect he had a tight schedule and his handlers were hustling him to the next stop – but i really don’t think one needs to stand on a ladder to see them to understand what an outrage it is.
I personally felt Buttigieg did extremely well at the debates last night. i was most surprised by Bennett, who i honestly don’t know anything about, but now i’m going to pay attention to him. Harris was also good, but i’m still not entirely convinced by her, just based on her record as prosecutor in SF. Biden was Biden, and his clash with Harris was interesting, for sure. I wish Bernie would’ve done better, but he did the same thing that he does, and the most interesting thing about him last night was how his stances really drove the entire debate. I just wish he would’ve answered the questions more, instead of using every question to hammer on the things he always hammers on. he’s not the only one guilty of that, though, and it does get his message out to those who may only tune in to the debates.
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At the first debate:
moderator: do you have a plan for
Warren: Yes.
I’m a little bummed that Harris knifing Biden in the ribs took some of the shine off Warren- I really enjoyed her performance.
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It’s the new “there’s an app for that”. Except in Warren’s case it’s true.
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I just get scared someone’s going to create a way to make that a bad thing.
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They’ve been making that a bad thing for so long it’s now cool. Think of it… a plan for something important that might work and we would want to work. Actually being implemented. To the Rump we say pppbbbbbbtttthhhhhttttt!
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I don’t think I did. I enjoyed that moment very much. We’ll worry about Harris versus Warren once some of these clowns get out of the clown car
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Sanders’s view of race and its intersection with class:
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Idle wishing on my part.
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yes, and also a bunch of other stuff. that’s my take.
the major thing i worry about with sanders is that he seems to believe that addressing wealth disparity is enough.
addressing wealth - the 1% - and only that will help white people more than black people. it’s not that it won’t help the black middle class, but it does nothing to dismantle the unique privilege that white people ( and especially, white male presenting people ) have in america.
i feel like, if you went the other way, it’d help everyone more. figure out ( ie. listen to people ) what affects black americans the most, and directly address those issues first.
if you did that, then addressing the concentration of political and monetary power that white america has - and particularly the white 1% - would automatically come along for the ride.
going the other way, looking only at the 1% and not facing issues relating specifically to race… it will help. but it won’t get us to where we ultimately need to be. not ever.
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addressing wealth - the 1% - and only that will help white people more than black people. it’s not that it won’t help the black middle class, but it does nothing to dismantle the unique privilege that white people ( and especially, white male presenting people ) have in america.
On the contrary, wealth is the expression of privilege; it motivates and enables all forms of oppression, including patriarchy, slavery, corruption, warfare, environment-degrading destruction, anti-democratic fiddling, criminal gangs, private militias. It is also the A-number-thing that we aren’t allowed to talk about. Apparently.
Talking honestly about the effects (institutional and social bigotries that protect large, reliable margins) is necessary, but saying that someone’s focus on wealth lets white supremacy off the hook? No no. That’s the Democratic Party establishment talking, and that point is used to steer the conversation back to things that will make the big donors happy. Or at least less sad than a frank discussion about why Guatemalan society was dismantled, for one of many examples of what really is causing one particular crisis. Because we can’t talk about what our rich people have been doing overseas as well as at home, Americans in general have no context for understanding, for another example, Syria (which is sort of Russia’s Central America).
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I have heard the criticism that some candidates (including, inter alia, Ocasio-Cortez) are not elected to serve as independent voices in Congress , but essentially as spokespeople for their underlying pacs–which may well be progressive–. To what extent is this true?
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