Speaking of Faith: discussions on religion (broadly defined)

And many Jewish groups in the U.S. are also happy to knowingly take funding from U.S. Christian Supremacy groups.

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The thing about all those 80s cartoons, though-- as someone who grew up with them-- was that most of them, even the obvious product tie-ins like G.I. Joe, had a quick segment at the end with the “moral of the story.” They pointed out how a character had gotten something right, or wrong, and stressed good values like compassion, loyalty, teamwork, etc.

So @chenille is absolutely right when he says 80s cartoon morality comprehends the issues better than certain GenXers do. One can only assume they paid more attention to the action and ignored the lesson parts.

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Yeah, I don’t think it’s just a Gen X thing from our own childhood cultural experiences… that probably doesn’t help, but the human mind often likes things simplified, and sort of Manichean, so lots of people lean on those kinds of narratives.

Yeah, that too.

Very true… they see a space for common cause, but they must be aware of the fundamentally antisemitic views of these people. They just don’t really believe they’ll take it to the logical conclusion. After all, Israel is a powerful nation with a powerful military and nukes. They believe, unlike in the 1930s-40s, they can now protect the Jewish people. :sob:

My childhood!

Yeah, but it always depends on what people take away from those cartoons. Even kids take what they want and leave what doesn’t fit their world view. It’s like right wingers loving Star Trek, despite, you know, it being Star Trek!

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True! Which is incredibly frustrating… but also part of why education in general and things like history and media literacy in particular are so scorned and sabotaged by those currently in power and their ilk. They don’t want anybody smart or savvy enough to challenge their version of “truth.”

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Yep. It’s certainly not cause “history is woke”… they just don’t like uncomfortable questions about reality.

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Like the one article says…

Hagees’ brand of bloodthirsty dispensationalism has been an extension of mainstream prophecy belief at least since the 1970s

…I remember this being a thing during the Reagan era, too. But like so much else with roots from back then (e.g. Heritage Foundation), it’s just so much worse, now.

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Perfect zinger!

And I love this post in the comment thread:

Back in the day when I was young enough to go out, there was a rumour of a guy who would go to concerts/festivals and lie in the mens urinal so people would urinate on him. I don’t pretend to understand it. But I do think old mate Jordan Peterson must wish he had the quiet dignity of that man.

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https://english.alarabiya.net/News/saudi-arabia/2025/05/26/over-one-million-hajj-pilgrims-arrive-in-saudi-arabia-ahead-of-hajj-season

https://www.reuters.com/pictures/journey-mecca-scenes-haj-pilgrimage-2024-06-11/

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He was real. He was called Troughman.

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I wish the headline had been a little more specific, as the article explains right away:

…the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) in Georgetown, Texas, an offshoot of the mother church in Moscow.

ROCOR, a global network with headquarters in New York, has recently been expanding across parts of the US - mainly as a result of people converting from other faiths.

I dunno, maybe hit 'em with this instead? (presumably not a ROCOR priest)

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(Source: https://incommunion.org/)

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I’m sorry for replying to this two weeks later, but I don’t check this thread every day. I’m extremely familiar with that part of Toms River. I used to live in Pine Beach, right across the river from near where that church is. Importantly, that church is not right on the river. It’s not riverfront property. Now, upstream about 1/4 mile, a new hotel/resort is being built, right around all the marinas. So I’m sure the mayor has this grand development plan for that whole area, but I want everyone to look at where the church is (circled in red below) and what’s currently right next to it (circled in blue). I’m guessing there’s no discussion of taking any land from that property. That church, by the way, is not just a church. It really is a part of that community. In addition to helping the unhoused, the poor, and the hungry, they host AA meetings and other community events. And that church has been there a long, long time. The congregation dates to 1865. I don’t know if it’s always been in that location. The current church building is nowhere near that old, but what the mayor is trying to do is bullshit.

Here’s a link to a change.org petition, if anyone is interested.
Petition ¡ Stop the Township of Toms River, NJ from Seizing Christ Episcopal Church - United States ¡ Change.org

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