Talkin' about music

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I know of Sleep Token but that’s about it, overall i’ve grown out of listening to metal and heavier genres of rock so i don’t listen to their music. And that’s ok that their music isn’t for me, even looking at other genres like pop there are plenty of successful artists that i don’t love and i don’t see the point of shitting on something that works for someone else. I don’t have the energy or mental bandwidth to complain about art/music that doesn’t intersect with me in the first place.

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It’s still there! Any one plugging sheet music up and down that alley?

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I don’t know. Likely not many anymore.

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Maybe that’s what indie artists need to get back to… plugging sheet music for sale at department stores and such like!

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i’ve never thought of the “Wrecking Crew” monicker as anything more than an affectionate name. It was never anything derogatory to me at all, so i’m surprised to hear she carries such anger about it. She should just embrace it and accept that people love the Crew and her work in it.

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I have heard of other musicians use the moniker or make references to it to people who were studio musicians and have not seen them bristle at it. That said if she takes offense to it then that’s her prerogative and it should be taken into consideration if its well known and it involves her. She could accept the honor, but if it means that much to her that she’d turn it down i think the Hall of Fame should be more considerate rather than have her compromise on her views and feelings.

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it’s definitely her choice how she perceives it, but it also seems like the name has stuck and will remain in the larger cultural consciousness that way whether she likes it or not.

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I think the “Wrecking Crew” moniker is great. It is a punchy and memorable name that allows a layperson to instantly recognize the contributions of an important collective of musicians that were often the real talent behind countless numbers of hit songs in the 60s and 70s. These are people who had it not been for Hal Blaine (especially) pushing this Wrecking Crew narrative and name, they would have all been largely forgotten to time.

I certainly don’t fault Kaye for declining to participate in the RRHOF given the arbitrary and political nature of the whole thing. If she doesn’t want to participate in that, more power to her.

I do have a lot of respect for Carol Kaye as a musician. She is an important figure in modern music – not just as a rare woman in what was a male-dominated field, but because she was a phenomenally good bassist. As a person I don’t have a particularly high opinion of her. She has a decades long storied history of unhinged rants and verifiably false claims going back decades (especially when saying she worked on songs that she actually didn’t). She also seems to love picking fights with others and seems to have a pretty big chip on her shoulder. Any perceived slight against her becomes fodder for a lawsuit.

One memorable example to me is after Love & Mercy came out, she wrote a long rant on Facebook protesting her portrayal in the film. The tl;dr was because she was the only woman musician in the film, she claimed that any inaccuraces in her portrayal were a black eye to working women everywhere. She said this while unironically calling the actress that played her a bimbo and incompetent because she didn’t hold the pick properly.

Anyway, I’m not surprised at any of this. You do you, Carol.

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She’s 90 years old. She’s earned the right to be cranky about whatever the hell she wants to be cranky about.

Hell, the trip would probably knock her down for a week.

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Yes. The museum is kind of a cultural sinkhole.

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Doesn’t mean she has to like it or pretend like she does. :woman_shrugging: She is actually a key figure here, and gets to have a say without being shouted down, I think.

Exactly…

What lots of people probably don’t realize, is that It’s not really about the music or talent or creating a better understanding of social/cultural history or any of that… it’s about the industry and money, and glorifying that. It’s about the commercialization/commodification of popular music and who those who benefited the most from that commercialization/commodification shaping the narrative about rock music itself, rather than any real historical value to humanity. It’s the capitalist flexing their muscles and imposing their narratives on the rest of us… You’ll never see any of the underground punk bands from the HC wave inducted there, not because they suck, but because underground punk and other underground genres actually challenged in the music industry’s power over cultural production in the US and the world…

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Poor 90 year old woman still can’t get away from men telling her how to behave and what she should like. At her own party.

Unseemly.

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