The Situation in Israel/Palestine

Of course. If somebody has a pre-existing condition, such as the (checks notes) mortal coil, they don’t deserve healthcare or (checks notes) food and water.

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Everyone born in Gaza now has a “pre-existing condition” if and when the Israeli terrorist force, “settlers”, or the Israeli famine, or the destruction of medical care kills them.

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The Israeli/US organisation which blocks the actual humanitarian aid organisations is a resounding success. They have managed to finally shut down food distribution in Gaza. Extreme famine now runs amok.

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Does aiding and abetting a genocide, ethnic cleansing, and a racist famine risk breaking international law? Inquiring minds would like to mull over this over sherry in the club.

Fuck off.

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Also worth pointing out that this silly little thing they are talking about isn’t actually a particularly important thing in international law. I see one of the points in it being relentlessly pushed by Zionist accounts online but the irony is utterly lost on them. Zionists at one point came to Ireland to negotiate with the UK because they were terrorists according to the UK government at the time.

Also: Britain isn’t a signatory. It is to many other treaties in international law that would make not doing this problematic. The straws they are clutching just get less and less substantial.

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People seem to be very reticent and cautious these days, don’t they?

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Well Germany doesn’t count its genocide by starvation in Namibia as genocide (Namibia does and is supporting the case that SA is bringing) and they are the experts as they keep on telling us, aren’t they?

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It’s only a genocide if there’s intent and there’s only intent if the leader openly says he wants to commit genocide while speaking in the UN. Saying he wants to get rid of all the people and take their land to his own government doesn’t count. You gotta trick him into shouting “you want to know why I did it?” on the witness stand, like they did with Hitler. :unamused:

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There needs to be a better descriptive than Zionists, because that term can also mean Jews who are homesick for a place they’ve never been because literally every religious moment in their life is built around it. Also because there are too many people who say Zionists because they aren’t allowed to say (((Yids))) or something. (Yet.)

But, I don’t know: Israeli Supremacists? It’s a complicated mix of religious and ethnic and political fuckery, which results in this colonialist genocidal frenzy of state violence, state-sanctioned violence, and reality-denying apologia. Let’s stick with Israeli Supremacists, with the caveats that the concept by its nature doesn’t include Christian or Muslim Israelis (because it doesn’t recognise them as Israeli, any more than Hinduttva recognises Muslim Indians as Indian), and you don’t have to be in Israel, or even Jewish, to subscribe to it. Also that while it seems to have taken over Israeli government and media, not all Israelis are Supremacists, whether or not they feel safe in publicly demurring, let alone protesting. (But the Supremacists are invested in making the claim that they are the mainstream both outside and within the country, because that’s how minority capture works.)

So: the people who signed that “The Palestinians aren’t legally a nation actually” memo are Israeli Supremacists. It’s just more Manifest Destiny meets Terra Nullius meets Deus Vult bullshit.

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I agree. Well I used to and I don’t use the term often but I did want to refer to when Zionism was labelled terrorism and how it undermines their point about how Palestine can’t be a state (because outsiders say it can’t be). You know how imperialists say a place was “granted” independence or “annexed” when the people there say they “declared” independence or were “invaded”?

Now though. I don’t know. I don’t see Israel as having any more claim to legitimacy as a state than apartheid South Africa.

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I seem to remember all the various hand-wringing over the term genocide during the Yugoslav wars and Rwanda, too… it generally seems to be aimed at the legal ramifications of calling something a genocide - you have to act if something is a genocide.

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Calling someone a racist is the real affront to humanity and they are entitled to do anything racist after as that justifies it.

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Beinart’s response…

So, a dude who lost friends to Hamas thinks this is genocide and Israel is responsible.

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I find it more than a little frustrating that Kat Abughazaleh, who has family from Gaza got to say so little. I appreciate Peter Beinart speaking on behalf of Israelis who oppose what’s happening, but I would love to have heard more from her on this…

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https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/08/01/spain-airdrops-12-tonnes-of-food-aid-over-gaza

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