🇺🇦 The War in Ukraine

I’m sure he reported all that was said back to Puty-put… not like Trump couldn’t have done that himself… I’m sure Zelenskyy is aware too…

Zelenskyy must wake up at night, and be like… I used to be a comedian… how the fuck did I get here. :sob:

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Average daily rate of 1,500 casualties (killed and wounded).

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With a far higher ratio of killed to wounded than the modern Western militaries face, due to Russians’ lack of medics and medical equipment, and the army frequently not giving a damn about the survival of the wounded.

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If Kim Jong Un thinks they’re corrupted, will they be allowed to return?

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The news on the Today Show this morning noted that there were discussions being had between the UK and EU trying to force through a ruling allowing Ukraine to use the Storm Shadow cruise missile system to strike targets deep within Russia, for fear of how conciliatory Trump will be in Putin’s favour when he takes office.

And I’m not sure how I feel about this, because if long-range missile strikes aren’t provocation, what is?
I understand the desire to allow Ukraine to fight back, but escalation is escalation, and is always bad for the people on the ground on all sides, be they military personnel or civilians.

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Russia is able to strike anywhere in Ukraine. Ukraine has been pretty reasonable about only striking airfields, naval bases, ammo, fuel, and the occasional bridge. If you go from a couple hundred miles out to a thousand, that pushes all Russian assets, including missile-launching aircraft, far enough from the front lines that it grinds their shitty transport mechanisms nearly to a halt. It’s necessary. Calling it escalation is just FSB concern trolling as far as I’m concerned.

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So, your argument is that Ukraine should give up? I guess since we’ve done that with the right wing here in America, so it’s fine for mass slaughter by the Russians.

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It’s a red line, like the last 100 red lines that Putin declared wouldn’t stand… let’s list a few, tanks, jets, ammunition, missiles, and so forth.

Hiimars has been striking inside Russia, Ukraine has invaded parts of Russia, the US and EU have provided training, intel, logistics, and much more… all of these are provocations.

Why is a Storm shadow something more?

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It’s not a strawman when that is the likely outcome of Ukraine backing off its own self-defense. We know what will happen if they let up. They WILL become a vassel state to Russia, and there WILL be mass retaliation on the part of the Russian state. They are killing internal critics at a vast pace at this point. Maybe you missed that part?

Russia is responsible for Russia’s actions, not Ukraine. Them starting a full on invasion led to Ukraine defending itself. :woman_shrugging:

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“opinion” piece

Since the Kremlin denies the call even took place the “good” news can be ignored. Basically a capitulation.

Because it is – more accurate, more range, more destructive. Is it likely to persuade Putin to deploy nuclear weapons? No, although it might persuade him to horizontally escalate by sending advanced weapons to proxies.

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Meh, He’s already given ballistic missile info to NK for the troop loans, I’m not sure why everyone is tiptoeing around Putin like he gives a fuck about equivalency, or playing by rules, he wants to do it, he’ll do it.

He’s been violating international laws of all sorts, killing civilians and and medical workers, and using hunger as a weapon, but we’re supposed to think he’s acting rationally, or won’t do something just because he wants to in the end?

He’s a bully, if it gives him an advantage he’ll do it, and BTW,what exact weapons will he be sharing with his allies, ones he’s not used or might need in Ukraine?

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Really? The only predictable thing about him is that he is unpredictable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-brokering-talks-send-advanced-russian-missiles-yemens-houthis-sources-say-2024-09-24/

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His bluff has been called multiple times, why is this the big one?

He’s been using Iranian drones for a while, I really don’t see why not using Storm Shadows inside Russia will all of a sudden make him go, “oh, I guess now I won’t do this thing that nobody in the west wants me to do”. If it gives him an advantage, he’ll do it, regardless.

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Who is saying this is the big one? None of his red lines have been crossed without overlong consideration and discussion beforehand. MBTs, missile systems, fighters, etc., etc. have not been immediately supplied to Ukraine and always come with restrictions.

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It’s just the boy who yelled wolf, except it’s our side yelling wolf before they do…

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If they’re already in the talks, the missiles aren’t the triggering factor.

The Houthis have launched repeated drone and missile strikes on ships in the crucial Red Sea shipping channels since November to show support for Palestinians in the Gaza war with Israel.

Sounds like the problem can be solved by not supplying Israel with arms, enforcing sanctions on them, as well as supporting Palestinians. Seems like a win-win to me.

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AFAIK the Houthis have only received missiles from Iran not Russia, so far. But that example was just one of weapons that could be supplied to proxies.

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What other weapons could be provided? That example is an anti-sea, not particularly useful in Ukraine.

Given their noted supply issues, what can they spare that’s not already in use in Ukraine or not usable because of corruption?

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Russia (and Ukraine) have used anti-ship missiles against land targets during the war.

Russia has stockpiles of missiles that, in a war against organised, modern-equipped military forces, are largely obsolete that are still a threat to civilian shipping.

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