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The terrorism thread at the other place is severely straining my temper. 44’s breezy enthusiasm for murderous imperialism drives me batty.

I’m struggling to think of a way to engage that won’t rapidly devolve into blunt contempt.

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His continued equivocation of Roy Moore and everybody else in politics has been annoying me too.

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A bit superfluous for this crowd, but very well done:

Might be handy for anyone still talking to conservatives, north or south.

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A bit of background.
A few years back, Clapton FC, a step 5 non-league team*, were adopted by the local Antifa and other left wing groups who formed the Clapton Ultras. Since then their attendance numbers have gone up from low double figures to about 350. They are passionate supporters but don’t intend to cause problems (they would prefer to solve them), unfortunately the far right aren’t so restrained.

Anyway, if there was going to be a problem, you would think that the Metropolitan Police, of all teams, would be able to find a bit more security for the game.

* 5 divisions below the professional EFL.

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I now have a non-AFL football team to support. :slight_smile:

http://www.claptonultras.org/2017/11/23/dear-true-clapton-supporter/

Do you think the Ultras will succeed in converting the club to fan control? I’m tempted to buy a jersey, but I wouldn’t want to send money to the current dodgy Board. Lucky for me, their colours match my existing team.

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FC St Pauli in Hamburg are also known for having left wing supporters.

St. Pauli enjoys a certain fame for the left-leaning character of its supporters: most of the team’s fans regard themselves as anti-racist, anti-fascist, anti-homophobic and anti-sexist, and this has on occasion brought them into conflict with neo-Nazis and hooligans at away games. The organization has adopted an outspoken stance against racism, fascism, sexism, and homophobia and has embodied this position in its constitution.[15] Team supporters traditionally participate in demonstrations in the Hamburg district of St. Pauli, including those over squatting or low-income housing, such as the Hafenstraße and Bambule. The centre of fan activity is the Fanladen St. Pauli.

The club made transphobia a bannable offence in the 1990s.

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History is a web; connections all over the place.

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History of Leninist dickery:

Stole the 1917 election from the Democratic Socialists.

OTOH, there’s plenty of room to critique the Socialist-Revolutionary Party (AKA the Russian DemSocs) as well. They were led by Kerensky, who was responsible for this:

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Kerenskiy was actually a Trudovik. i.e. a gradualist counterpart to the Socialist Revolutionaries.

During the Revolution, the Socialist Revolutionaries split more than 6 ways:

  1. Maximalists who wanted to exterminate the exploiting classes
  2. Right Socialist Revolutionaries, who wanted to continue the imperialist war.
  3. Center Socialist Revolutionaries, who supported the now-revolutionary war since February 1917 and opposed the takeover by the sovyets. They controlled most of the party lists, so they had the largest share in the Constituent Assembly elections.
  4. Left Socialist Revolutionaries, who supported the now-revolutionary war since October 1917 and supported the takeover by the sovyets. They allied with left Bolsheviks.

And although the main S-R platform allowed a lot of regional autonomy, some national parties broke away from the main party,

  1. Right Ukrainian Socialist Revolutionaries. They mainly supported the Rada and the Directory.
  2. Left Ukrainian Socialist Revolutionaries such as Nikifor Hryhorev. They mainly supported a pro-sovyet insurgency, and pogroms, lots of pogroms. They initially allied with Left Ukrainian Social-Democrats such as Zelenyy, but eventually-- after Hryhorev’s death and Volokh’s break with the Directory-- allied with the Bolsheviks.
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I don’t expect anyone to watch something this long, but the few minutes starting at 8:45 were particularly interesting.

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Thread:

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https://twitter.com/urbanthreshold/status/941650177273815041

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