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Breaking ICE into several existing agencies both breaks immigration control from DHS makes a lot of sense, the control of immigration should be taken away from executive branch oversight since it has done us no good. Immigration courts need to be reformed from the ground up without an exclusive police branch.

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She actually barely qualifies for 2020, she turns 35 after the election but before the inauguration which is the real cut off.

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Waters does not speak for all Democrats or liberals. Nor do those who threw Sarah Huckabee Sanders out of the Red Hen restaurant. Neither do those who have harassed other members of the Trump administration. But these rude extremists are a symptom of the times. The divisions have gotten so bad that many on both sides refuse to speak or listen to those on the other side. Either you are for Trump or against him, and that is all some people need to know to make judgments about you.

I know this because I have experienced this firsthand on Martha’s Vineyard… But that is not good enough for some of my old friends on Martha’s Vineyard. For them, it is enough that what I have said about the Constitution might help Trump. So they are shunning me and trying to ban me from their social life on Martha’s Vineyard. One of them, an academic at a distinguished university, has told people that he would not attend any dinner or party to which I was invited. He and others have demanded “trigger warnings” so that they can be assured of having “safe spaces” in which they will not encounter me or my ideas. Others have said they will discontinue contributions to organizations that sponsor my talks.

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That’s one option, sure.

There are a range of approaches:

  1. Keep it as it currently is: the Trumpist position.

  2. Return it to how Obama had it: the Pelosi position.

  3. Change the name, but nothing else: sneaky Dem position.

  4. Reform the agency, make it nicer, maybe change the name: Warren position.

  5. Abolish ICE, return to the pre-9/11 status quo: conservative Berniecrat position.

  6. Abolish ICE, return to the pre-Clinton status quo. Abandon deterrence-based immigration policy. Moderate Berniecrat position.

  7. As per (6), but also extend citizenship to the 11 million undocumented Americans. Progressive Berniecrat position.

  8. Abolish borders, allow the free movement of people. Actual radical position.

There’s some more nuance between those points, but you get the idea.

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#5 is not really accurate to what she called for though. Breaking ICE into chunks and making other agencies responsible for it is vastly different from reforming it. It’s more radical than the #6 position where the DOJ had oversight of INS and the Immigration Court system.

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I want to be clear that I think a lot of Dems are on the #4 train as the “bipartisan” effort.

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Were those the words of the acquaintance or is this Dershowitz trying to reverse-snowflake himself?

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I assume it was a #notallsnowflakes moment

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Wikipedia says she turns 29 in October. That puts her at 35 just before the 2024 election.

Where are you getting that she’s 32?

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https://twitter.com/55counties/status/1013944618608521217?s=21

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https://twitter.com/send_lwyds/status/1013864660691537922?s=21

https://twitter.com/send_lwyds/status/1013867474977198080?s=21

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Good arguments in thread:

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https://twitter.com/daveanthony/status/1013942301314314240?s=21

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https://twitter.com/x__ricardo/status/1013849332577996800?s=21

Bootlickers all over the comments.

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I was thinking 2024 not 2020.