Wanderthread

Lazy reporting by Tapper and by you in this case.

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I have yet to see her write something false, vicious, or anything more than “biased in favor of HRC or the DNC.”

I’m not a reporter.

I obviously haven’t read the book beyond the leaked excerpts, but it appears clearly intended as an anti-Bernie hitpiece. Which is an utterly insane thing to do right now.

Even if every word of the book were true, it would make no sense to release it now. The Democratic Party cannot insult the left into supporting them.

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On the brighter side: it seems clear that the Democratic Party is not going to make any substantial positive contribution. If that’s the case, the sooner they collapse the better.

Continuous tone-deaf blunders like this and that Verrit debacle might just speed that along. HRC probably sold a bunch of memberships for the DSA today.

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She doesn’t, even in the leaked pages she acknowledges Bernie is right about a lot of things - such as the DNC ignoring the working class and spending too much time courting donors. She doesn’t give a reason for the former, but says the later is because the campaign finance system is broken. But that’s not what matters to the people who are looking to bash Clinton, they want to spread their narrative of it being a Bernie Sanders hit piece because it dares to criticize him at all. Even the things they are calling vicious attacks have a lot of truth like Bernie leaving the Democratic Party and supporting it from the outside to avoid having to raise campaign funds for the DNC.

You want to see who is doing their best to support fascism? Try looking at the people combing over each individual sentence of this book to post close-cropped photos of the text and then complain about how the Democrats are the reason the GOP repealed Glass-Steagall or that they are at fault for Trump undoing the DACA and now using it to fund his fascist pet projects in the budget - literally two examples I saw on twitter in response to this book today.

Again, if the Democrats collapse then the GOP remains in power unopposed for decades.

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I’ve no doubt that Russian and Trumpist trolls are fanning the flames as hard as they can. Which is why it was a daft idea to light an obvious bonfire for them.

I obviously included my own cynical/snarky perspective on Clinton upthread, but the argument I am making here has nothing to do with Clinton’s honesty or policies.

Even if Clinton were a saint, releasing this book at this moment was a predictably destructive thing to do. Regardless of the validity or otherwise of the content, it was an obvious and avoidable political blunder for anyone whose goal is to oppose Trump.

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And again: this will be decided in the streets, not at the ballot box.

If the Democrats collapse, I expect them to be replaced by a new left party almost instantly. As was the case with the Whigs and Republicans.

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The Whigs split the electoral college for 12 years!

You’ve got me on that one…I momentarily forgot about the whole Know-Nothing period.

Best hope that the DSA and BLM are as impressively organised as they appear, then. Because I don’t see any chance of the young/black/socialist left ever voting for a Democrat again.

What is needed at the moment is street organisation, not electoral marketing.

snl-stefon-laughs

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They are not as organized as you hope, they lack any sort of funding to oppose the GOP, and there is no data showing they are large enough to carry elections on their positions alone. The largest unified-voting block in the US is the minority position that continues to win elections by splintering the others - the white religious GOP. The same group of people that have controlled government more or less for 38 years by the next election cycle.

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I’m not talking about elections. Not in the short term, anyway.

There are no real elections in regions under GOP control. The USA is not a democracy, and will not be until the GOP is removed from power. Which can happen peacefully, but it can not happen electorally.

By the time the next real Presidential election occurs, the GOP will not exist. Because if it does still exist, it will still be in power, and therefore there will be no real election.

I see you saying this, but I don’t even believe for a moment that there is a peaceful solution outside of winning elections.

I don’t believe there is the slightest chance of a real election.

But there is a slim chance of a peaceful revolution. Which doesn’t mean that nobody gets shot by the cops, it just means that it isn’t a civil war.

You’ve probably seen this before, but this is what I’m talking about:

Gandhi style, MLK style, Argentina style. Messy and dangerous, but it beats the alternatives.

Literally all of those required winning elections.

Generally after a lot of scuffling with police.

If Trump loses, the idea is to restore a democratic state. With elections. But that can’t happen until fascism is stopped.

Which Clinton?

Not that it really matters I guess.

Almost a million Americans.

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