Well this is interesting

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I had always assumed they were a cover story for experimental aircraft. Like Area 51 was important to the U2 and A12/SR71 programs.

But we NEED MOAR DATA! FOR SCIENCE!!!

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I always assume that’s what the “black triangles” of the desert southwest are. Frankly I will be more fascinated by these objects if they all turn out to be earth-based.

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I grew up in the dessert near an air force base, where they did a lot of test flights. All the time, we would be out in the dessert at night (teenagers away from adults, doing ill advised things) and see quote-unquote UFOs.

I assume were completely known to the air force, but unknown to us. Some of them moved weirdly fast, in strange directions, or seemed to just disappear after flying very low. As a result, I love UFOs but never assume they are extraterrestrials.

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I agree. The logic of them being aliens is so wrong. Either they’d land and make themselves known, or go away. This being seen occasionally but flitting around like gnats just makes no sense.

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“No sense makes sense.”

The man who said that was an extremely disturbed individual, but with that phrase was spot-on.

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I always wonder why so many people think that any alien beings capable of visiting Earth would have the slightest interest in doing so more than once.

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There’s nothing that says these folks are any smarter than us. Having better technology doesn’t make them more rational than we are.

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That’s a sobering thought!

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Ever read “The Tommyknockers” by Stephen King? It’s the book he doesn’t remember writing due to being drunk. Anyhow, the aliens in that are geniuses at adapting technology, but not of always being practical. Like, using lots and lots of batteries instead of plugging into the local power grid.

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Wow, you do have a cynical view of the universe!

I doubt we’ll ever know, so the point is moot.

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Cynical? Perhaps. To me, it just makes sense. It’s not as if all species are going to be like the Vulcans.

Maybe not in our lifetimes, but perhaps in the lifetimes of our children.

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I’m not too concerned, because I don’t believe that what we are calling UFOs are alien visitors. What would be the point in acting the way they do?

If they’re benign, and we are even worth their time to visit, they’re going to want to chat. Zooming around avoiding F-14s isn’t going to do that. And if they’re not benign, well… they’d land in Central Park or the Grand-Place in Brussels and do their thing, be it harvesting our water, our oxygen, our pizza, or us for lunch meat, for that matter. It’s not like we would be able to do anything about it.

Also, anyone or anything that comes to visit us isn’t likely to be the equivalent of some Texas bro rolling coal in his pickup. Getting here will take some time, effort, and technology. Do you envision a society where the people that do that are the ordinary people of their world? You could argue that they might be, but were that true, we’d still be seeing a lot more of them than a glimpse of some vague, nebulous technology at a distance.

And I doubt that we’d even recognize anyone or anything that came to visit anyway. I enjoy thinking and reading about what our civilization will look like in a hundred years, or a thousand. Usually I feel cynical, and assume that we will have exterminated ourselves and destroyed the earth in another hundred years. But when I’m feeling hopeful, I think about what a human will look like then.

Let’s say that the aliens are only a thousand years more advanced than we are. I’d guess that they’d still be at least somewhat biological at that point, as we are. I live now and I have dozens of technological enhancements that didn’t exist when I was born, little more than a half-century ago. Probably that will still be true in a thousand years, though much moreso. Instead of a cell phone, a plastic knee, and a hearing aid, I’ll have a bionic knee and some kind of gee whiz brain implant. But in ten thousand years? A million? I’m confident that by then we meat puppets will be a thing of the distant past, simply because we will have evolved beyond that. Certainly I expect that anyone visiting us will be.

I am perfectly prepared to accept the presence of alien visitors. But I am a scientist and technologist. I need to see evidence. And as Sagan said long ago, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If that evidence does not exist, I will continue to deny the existence of alien visitors.

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They’re just waiting for the inevitable Posadist victory in the inevitable nuclear war.

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