Just imagine all the good guys with guns there 
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This quote by Pence really bothered me this morning;
“If the attacker’s desire was to silence their testimony of faith, he failed.”
It seems like Pence is trying to make this in to an attack on Christianity. Already the alt-right has been trying to cast the shooter as an atheist, antifa, and Bernie Sanders supporter, and Pence seems to be driving that wedge deeper.
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Assuming this was an attack on Christianity, and I don’t believe that it was, then that would be one of the rare instances that Christianity is on the receiving end of bloodshed instead of the giving end.
Pence was one of those people who promoted the death penalty for gay people in Uganda because Jayyyyyzus, so he can fuck the hell right off with that nonsense about violence against Christians…
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Can we get Colin Firth and set it to saturday night special?
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How many women have been mass shooters?
I get what you’re saying, but its a bit of a derail no?
Whereas most mass shooters are male and have a history of violence against women. So not to discount the seriousness of domestic abuse of any gender, it does seem that male violence against women has something to do with mass shootings.
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This is pretty much the same here.
Mental health care is sort of covered… in that if you’re committed or you go to the ER or the doctor, you can get a prescription or emergency care, but thats pretty much only if you’re in crisis. If you want long term preventative care and you don’t have coverage, you’ll be on a waiting list for a least a year, longer depending on what you need. If you have coverage through your employer, like I do, you’ll get an annual amount of say $600 to use towards a psychiatrist, psychologist or counsellor. So maybe 3 or 4 visits, if you’re lucky?
We have socialized medicine, but not all areas of health are covered.
Eyes, teeth, prescriptions and mental health all can be out of pocket.
We have “good” health care compared to the US, and terrible health care compared to Europe.
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I don’t think so - I wasn’t making a connection to mass shootings and domestic violence because I didn’t think you were; I was just pointing out that there is a connection between domestic violence and homicides, and that the number of women who kill their male spouses is a nontrivial number. Not many of those females go on to kill anyone outside their family though, which means they are not counted as mass murders.
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I’m specifically stating that there is a link between male domestic violence against women and mass shooters.
I mean, I even quote an article that is making that connection?
So yes, men get abused too, I would never say they don’t, but thats not what I was talking about, because, as you say, the women that murder their husbands don’t typically go on mass shooting sprees, and thats what this thread is about no?
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Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying, and that you think I was trying to derail.
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No worries, hence why I phrased it as a question and not an accusation.
That most mass shooters are male and have a history of violence against women is a non-trivial fact, one that deserves exploration and discussion.
But thats a separate conversation from domestic violence in general.
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Yes, I ate some posts. Thread was getting hard to read.
There were good points- now let’s get this train back on track.
- tinoesroho
You’re "but what about the menz"ing here. That’s not dialogue, that’s a form of shutting down dialogue. Is that really what you want to do?
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Folks-
Yes, domestic violence is a problem, and yes both men and women can be perpetrators and victims of DV.
However, the same force behind DV appears to affect men and women differently; male perps are much more likely to also commit other crimes, inclusing mass shootings. This is something to keep in mind given this topic’s focus.
Thank you all for contributing.
If we can stick to the topic of the thread, that would be great. Fork a new thread to continue speaking on the issue of DV specifically.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
EDIT:
fixed typos
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I love Sam Bee (and not just because she’s Canadian)
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I can’t even keep up with these
There was another one? In El Paso?
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I got a small, one-week whiteboard calendar for my office. I assign each staffer a color so they can note when they plan to be in the lab. I’m not a super butts-in-seat boss, but having some idea in case I need to have a quick convo/get some paperwork signed is good.
As I was packing my new whiteboard calendar into my work bag, I thought, “This is nice and small. If I needed to provide an accounting of personnel on premises to emergency services, I can just grab it while evacuating the lab.”
God.
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So, I don’t know if you’ve seen the poem going around on FB, I’m sure it’s been on other social media, it’s been floating around since 2016, about different things and the countries they represent, America being represented by a gun (“America is a Gun” is the title of the poem).
Well, one of my FB friends, whom I met after she bought some of the vintage clothing I found after my mom died, made a comment about it a couple days ago: “What’s so negative about being a gun? I’d rather be a gun than a kangaroo!”
I was very surprised, as she has twin sons who are I think seven years old, and a singlet who I think is four. And she’s brought her kids here and we’ve had fun. But she lives aways away, and isn’t as flush as she used to be (who among us is, lol?), so we’ve not seen each other for a year or so. And I had the feeling her husband and males in her family are hunters, that type of thing.
Well, you can imagine some of the comments. Mine was something along the lines of: “Guns are the only tools used to kill other living things, they have no other purpose. They’re being used to kill CHILDREN, some the same age as yours. I can only hope that you’re honestly unaware of what’s happened in the last 24 hours.” That’s not my exact comment, but it’s close; funny how I can remember hers and not mine, but mine was longer.
Anyhow, she blocked me. I can’t see the comment anymore, nor her profile.
I wasn’t insulting. I wanted to be - and thought I could be, though - frank with her as to how her comment came across, you know? I tried to be like gentle-older-lady. Plus, she bought a couple of vintage ties from me and I don’t have her address to send them to her and she’s already paid for them. In fact, the last we messaged each other, she said she was going to try and get out to my place as soon as she could, prolly later in the summer.
I feel hurt, and disappointed. She in her mid-30s. It’s hard for me to reconcile a mother of three lively and bright boys with a person who asks “What’s so negative about being a gun?”
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Yup, and no doubt that’s where she is too. She likes to think of herself as a good person. You just pointed out there’s some major things she could change.
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I just thought she was more evolved in her thinking. I could understand her unfriending me; I could understand her sending me a PM and bitching me out; but blocking - that does say a lot, as much as I hate to admit it. She has another profile up, though, so I sent a message to that, saying, I understand, where can I send the ties, I can’t afford to refund your money.
I mean she really helped me when I needed it when she bought those clothes. And we bonded over Jackie Susann books and movies. It saddens me.
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