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I love Roy Wood, Jr.
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Doris Kearns Goodwin interviewed.
NO mention of Truman. I am disappoint.
Addendum: They forget to mention the kind of men they both were, outside of being politicians. FDR wasn’t as in touch with the little people as one may think and had one helluvan ego; LBJ was almost as bad as T**** when it came to women and was not as in touch with the Black people as may think.
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For the unintiated, like me:
Reception by historians
Historians questioned the scattershot nature of Trump’s proposal; James R. Grossman, the executive director of the American Historical Association, said that “The choices vary from odd to probably inappropriate to provocative” and suggested that the proposal was an attempt by Trump to “to seize on a cultural conflict to distract from other issues” during an election season, as suggested by the short (60-day) timetable that Trump set forth in his order.[12] Historian Karen Cox described the executive order about the proposed monument as “random” and said that “Nothing about this suggests it’s thoughtful.”[12] Historian Adam Domby noted Trump’s initial list included no Native Americans, and included George Patton but omitted Dwight D. Eisenhower.[12]
The premise of Trump’s proposal was criticized by historian Michael Beschloss, who wrote that “No president of the United States or federal government has any business dictating us citizens who our historical heroes should be. This is not Stalin’s Russia. Any American who loves democracy should make sure there is never some official, totalitarian-sounding ‘National Garden of American Heroes,’ with names forced upon us by the federal government.”[11]
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Naaaaaah, Trump would never do that.
Of course, my first thought reading “statues of notable […] political figures, businesspeople, and pop culture icons” is that you know he was also hoping he’d eventually be enshrined in there as well.
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Of course, because he’s all three!
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Yeah, it was a very scattershot list, few of whom could be considered heroes. Many were just late 20th century pop culture stars or sports players. And some, (Andrew Jackson?!) are more like villains.
A park with statues of famous people, ok, whatever. But it was very poorly thought out and named.
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Very true. But his policies were also truly progressive, outside of foreign policy, especially Vietnam. Same with FDR. I think that shows that they were able to step out of their egos when it came to governance. Obviously not true of Mayor McTreason.
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For FDR, that sounds right. For LBJ, what he did was FOR his ego.
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean his policies didn’t further a progressive agenda. He very much sought to expand on the groundwork laid down by the new deal. If he did it for ego, he still did it.
And I found this interesting when I heard it, but it turns out that Lady Bird Johnson had a much larger hand in Johnson’s policies that previously acknowledged…
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Oh of course…but he still sent Secret Service agents to get women for him. I mean…like with artists, how much of the crap that these folks do can we excuse because they also did a lot of good? That’s my dilemma.
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Yeah, good point there. Of course, in this case, it’s more difficult of a dilemma because his political actions improved the lives of people in a very real way.
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I think this is a good simple explanation of why OMG-think-of-the-children when it comes to National Debt is so wrong:
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With Truman, his one big weird fault was not recognizing women’s rights; this is a man who very much respected and admired his female relatives, and he about outright worshipped both his wife and his mother. And he absolutely adored his daughter (look how she turned out, too) and refused to put down his mother-in-law. He hated MIL jokes.
But when he was POTUS and had on his post-WWII calendar some women to come in to talk about women’s rights, I believe he used the word “hooey”. (I can’t find the page that I read that on in McCullough’s bio of him. And I can’t find it in the notes. Darn! But I do remember reading about that!)
And of course he was wrong about Joe Stalin. He was right about CKS and Madame, though.
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Ha-ha!
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shit, i’d be happy to have a percentage of his gap.
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