C'mon Guys (Toxic Masculinity)

Except that woman would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I mean, they convict women of killing men who have abused them for years - put them in intensive care; women who’ve flatlined and been brought back by medical staff get life in prison for killing their abuser.

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Some people love the alpha myth…

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“Some” people, “certain” individuals, yeah, that’s some careful phrasing there, @ObakeBakaNeko! :rofl:

Let’s be clear, insecure men love the alpha myth, because it’s all they’ve got. Most of us despise it. I have more than enough trouble keeping my own life together, I do not want to run anybody else’s. And most of the guys I know take the same tack. These misogynistic, small-minded idiots need to grow up.

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Insecure women love it as well, because it absolves them of any personal responsibility for making choices.

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Choices were made.

These myths about alphas, hard times create hard men, etc. Are just figures of speech. I doubt the neomacho people could live without toilet paper, running water, and chocolate milk from their mom.

Here in Brazil, there are groups that organize spiritual retreats and excursions to remote areas, where men climb gentle hills in order to learn how to be men in an intensive weekend course. I highly doubt they teach how to change a diaper, use a power drill, understand the Brazilian political system and how to vote consciously, how to avoid debt from a consumerist lifestyle, how to fix an electrical outlet, how to guide your child toward adulthood, how to maintain a healthy relationship with your wife, how to organize community service, taking care of aging parents, how to plan a good retirement etc.

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A blast from the past:

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Ugh those retreat things. Don’t get me wrong a vacation is great and tourist experiences can be fun. But I think it is funny to imagine two tourists from the US unwittingly getting the same trip, one shaman themed guided woman’s empowerment journey and one alpha man survivalist journey, sharing the same campfire on different nights and learning nothing from it.

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In this case, this is a christian/evangelical/conservative group. I think it is a fringe group, but somehow the local media love to talk about them, speacially when they get stranded on the top of a hill and have to call the firemen to recsue them or when they leave a lot of trash on national parks.

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Wait… “But Broken before God…” what? Why would God want all the men broken? Why would God want other men to break you? What a weird cult.

I seriously think at this point a good deal of Christianity is just unethical low-eq bdsm for homophobes.

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“Return the hunter hero to each family…”

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I am seriously picturing these guys freaking out that there is no woman to clean their campsite. (Who am I kidding? Of course there was!)

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They left a lot of trash on trail once…

Oh, and women aren’t allowed in their gatherings and you have to pay at about US$ 1,500.00 to enjoy the indoctrination.

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For the record, ancient historian Bret Devereaux took a pretty detailed look at that meme here. It is of course not accurate either.

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I think you need to secure the film rights for this story, today.

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I first heard of Andrew Tate when he was arrested in Romania, and I wondered “who?” I read the article about his arrest, and I still didn’t understand what he was.

Since then, I have read a few more things about him, and have continued to be confused. What exactly is his job? He seems to be influential, but there is nothing to him.

So, I finally decided to spend a few hours with Andrew Tate courtesy of Behind the Bastards:

Make of him what you will. Here are my own conclusions about him.

  • He seems to be a frightened child who has never grown up and accepted the reasons for his parents’ divorce.

  • He is probably gay, and this terrifies him. He is a self-loathing gay man who hates women.

  • He reminds me of the character Frank Booth from “Blue Velvet.” Disturbed by his memories. He seems to get his thrills merely by dominating people.

  • His profession is con artist. He carries out this profession in a personal space directly half-way between Hugh Hefner and Charles Manson. In fact, while I was listening to these episodes I kept thinking how well Manson would have done on social media had it been around at the time.

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I like that way of putting it. It tells a small detail that also reveals a lot.

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One more thing about Tate. About half-way through the movie “Honor and Glory” the cartoonishly-evil villain shouts a speech telling everyone how great he is:

That’s where you’re wrong. I’m on top of the world!

No one has control of more money. No man can fight me and live. No woman can share my bed and not be mine for life.

I’m like a god!

I piss on you from a great height!

This pretty-much sums-up every statement Tate has ever made.

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I think Momus covered this in his rather excellent song “Lucky Like St. Sebastian” wherein Paul, the apostle, desired (when anticipating the end of his life) that he’d be martyred, and that in order to prove his faith. The anachronous response below (timeline is wrong; from a Roman Senator who had some influence over how Paul would die) represents what was communicated to Paul, he seeking said martyrdom:

(lyrics excerpted)
He said, “Should you be so lucky like St Sebastian
Preferring the ache to the aspirin
Swooning as they shoot the arrows
Through your narrow chest
Stripping naked in the Circus Maximus
With a martyr-eating lioness
Bartering with flesh for a little pain
Scenes like this give sadomasochism a bad name

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Because paywall:

https://archive.ph/gcaVS

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