C'mon Guys (Toxic Masculinity)

Ugh. I’m sure this isn’t going to lead to devastating medical problems in mid- to late-life. No, not at all.

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(Video must be on YouTube somewhere.)

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Like Kanye, he thrives on attention no matter if its positive or negative. So seeing this ridiculous news about him seems par for the course.

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The crimes he’s accused of in the UK and other countries include sex trafficking women. This is all I need to know about this shitstain on humanity.

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Probably listens to My Chemical Romance

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Mr. Delusionally Outtatouch.

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Chad Wishfulthinking.

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Musky McMuskface

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Gary Stu

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Let’s see, a combination of Christian Grey and Edward Cullen would be…

Christian Grey

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Sparkley McSparkleface

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Goebbels would be perfect.

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Cool Boys with Cool Toys: The Cult of the Operator and the “Crisis” of Masculinity

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This is making the rounds on my Bluesky feed:

“You can only speak to your experience, and so my experience was great, and a lot of people’s experiences were great when we made ‘Firefly,’ which we, as far as we’ve all discussed, we all had a good time,” Tudyk responded. “That was all being done at the same time as ‘Angel’ and at the same time as ‘Buffy.’ So it was the same man. I just think, you know… it’s a tricky subject, you know. It’s a morass when you try to defend somebody against somebody else’s stated experience… when you weren’t there. I can talk to people who were, and I, you know… you find out different perspectives, and it sheds light, but I can’t say stuff. I can’t; it’s not my place to say. So, I have to just sit with my own knowledge and my hope to work with him again.”

with Tudyk adding, “Yeah, and so much about… for women, you know? He was always about strong women, and he was always pushing that; that was his thing. I mean, that wasn’t a put-on thing or a business decision. That’s who he is, you know? So it’s all… it’s all wild to see how that… it’s so easy for somebody to go and put something online and say, And I’m not going to say anything else. I’m gonna say this thing and I’m not going to say anything else.” Like, well, wait… the thing you just said is going to do really diff… irreparable harm in a [Tudyk does air quotes] ‘corporate setting’ and there’s no court, you know, to go to. There’s no cancel court."

It’s geting reactions, of course. One of the best is from Nome:

When I was in college, my best friend was - I later found out - a serial abuser of women.

He used proximity to me, and my reputation as a safe person, to get access to women to abuse.

Part of that was an intentional campaign, on his part, to never let me see the abusive behaviors. I was his cover.

It was important to him that I never anything but a caring (perhaps too-caring), smart, funny, fun to be around guy. It was important to him to throw up as much of a smokescreen as possible around his abuse.

Women told me, after I made a clean break, that they hadn’t felt comfortable telling me.

I was so obviously his friend, the backlash if they did tell me was so potentially high, they just slowly edited themselves and the women they knew out of my life.

Just the way he wanted.

He would rotate friend groups, and claim that X group hated Y group, or Z group was shitty to X group, in order to make sure that these groups didn’t talk to each other.

And then he’d prey on a woman from each group in sequence.

Which made the catastrophic breakups seem less frequent.

He did all of this instinctually. Abusers - accomplished ones, at least - develop a sense for this. They understand how to manipulate groups to make sure they’re never the bad guy, to make sure their victims never have access to support or independent verification of reality outside of them.

I mourn, sometimes, that relationship. I mourn the caring, funny, passionate man that I thought was my friend.

Unfortunately, that person never existed in any meaningful way. Instead, I was cultivated as a resource, shown a specific mask in order to give him access to what he wanted.

It is utterly unsurprising, utterly consistent with common patterns of abuse, that Alan Tudyk never saw anything untoward.

It is unfortunately utterly unsurprising, utterly consistent with common patterns of abuse, that he then question the women who came forward, find their stories unbelievable.

Abusers count on you to have that reaction.

Tudyk, whatever his intentions, is doing Whedon’s work for him.

It would be great if he’d stop.

I get, Alan, that you want to look back fondly on a thing you did that you loved and are loved for, and want to believe that the friend you knew - who always treated you well - is who you thought he was.

But there was a rule about how then-15-y/o Michelle Trachtenberg couldn’t be alone with him.

Is Alan Tudyk toxic? I don’t know, I wouldn’t have thought so before today… and I wouldn’t consider this one incident definitive. But whether he’s aware of it or not, he’s providing cover for a form of toxic masculinity, and I don’t like that at all. :sob:

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I think about Neil Gaiman and his relationships with people like Terry Pratchett, who seems to have been universally loved; was Pratchett an asshole too, or was he used as cover for a predator, like this writer Nome was?

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I’m not as familiar with Pratchett as I should be, but I’ve heard quite a few stories from people who’d met him, and none of them had anything bad to say about Sir Pterry. By all accounts, he was a good man (and yeah, I’m more hesitant about saying that these days… but so far, it looks good.)

I can only guess if it was a “cover”-type friendship or not, so, maybe? But as Nome says, abusers know who they need to hide their darker selves from, and they can be very good at it. Nobody’s perfect, we can all be fooled. Many of us were fooled into thinking the abusers were better people than they turned out to be.

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Going by what he wrote? Yes. He’s advocating for setting Whedon up to be in a position of power again; where he can abuse women again. He’s prioritizing his own wish to recapture an environment (and a friendship) that was never real, that was an illusion, over the safety of women.

It’s entirely possible he doesn’t really want to do that and his writing is just a wish to recapture the good old days without any real intention to make it happen. I wouldn’t write him off just for this, but it’s not a good sign.

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