C'mon Guys (Toxic Masculinity)

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These guys are seriously fucked up. Deeply weird.

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What. The. Actual. Fuck?!

(Also, that sounds like a really shitty painting, Matt. Grounds for divorce level shitty. Just sayin’: if yer wife were looking for an out, that painting would do nicely.)

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“Here’s how you manipulate women to get what you want” was gross as hell, but at least I understand what it was advertising. “You should be so manly that women won’t even want you there”…ok, like, why? The only point I could see for that is some kind of gay fetish culture, and so far as I know none of them are stupid enough to make those their lives.

A painting of someone meeting aliens could be cool in a geeky way, if they made it themselves. As something you order…I dunno, it kind of sounds like it could fall in and the home would be that much better for it. Maybe that’s knowing it’s Matt Walsh though.

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I imagine it is like rolling coal for all aspects of your life.

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Thesis: they don’t at a fundamental level understand how human relationships work. They can’t comprehend the concept of a relationship between peers, and think that all human interactions are based on power dynamics. And if you’re not in control in that dynamic, then you are being controlled, that’s just how a zero sum game works. More than that, if you don’t have absolute control, then you are being manipulated or worked around, and you may as well not have any control at all because the illusion of power is worse than just not having it. Therefore, any man who does not exert total control over his woman is, ipso facto, being controlled by her.
Corollary: If a man can’t tell his woman to make him a sandwich and have her immediately obey, then he is a failure as a man.

Thesis: They see masculinity as the state of being in control, or if you’re not “manly” enough to take your place at the top of the hierarchy, then to know and take your rightful place down within it. But those who are not at the top can never be satisfied unless they are at the top. They see all male interaction as this sort of power game, where everyone is trying to gain the position at the top of the male hierarchy at all times — the Alpha, if you will.
Corollary: this is by definition a male pursuit. All men engage in this, and only men. Women are not part of this struggle, and any man who does not engage in it is either not really a man, or (because you can’t falsify a religion) a special case, a Sigma male who is equal in stature to an Alpha despite not playing the power game, or rather, by automatically winning the power game whenever it touches him.
Corollary: If women are not part of this game, then they can only be its prizes. The activities and desires of women is irrelevant to the Great Game of Power played by men, except insofar as they can corrupt a man into losing that game and making him as much of a non-combatant as women are. And if you’re not winning the game, you’re property.

Conclusion: These guys are IMHO on a special branch of the psychopathy spectrum. It’s fine to play with power dynamics. There are even people who make it a lifestyle choice, and it’s usually fine (modulo consent and all that good stuff). But these people can’t comprehend the idea of any relationship that isn’t based on a will to power. They literally don’t understand the concept.

Further: Once upon a time “Sodomy” wasn’t specifically the act of anal sex, it was any sexual practice which wasn’t “normal”. Oral sex, masturbation, lesbian sex, were all kinds of sodomy. Then the sense got restricted to only mean homosexual male sex. And now “gay” has been re-expanded by these people to the space which “sodomy” used to hold. When they say “gay”, they mean “any sexual practice which ain’t right.”
If all human interaction is a reflection of a power struggle between men, and women are by definition outside and underneath this entire area of interaction, then any human interaction between a man and a woman must, therefore, be a power dynamic with the woman on the bottom.

Therefore: if a man chooses to have an interaction with a woman, whether sexually or platonically, as equals, much less where there is no thought of a power dynamic, where two (or, the horror, more) people just enjoy each others’ company and more, this is a concept so alien that it must be a perversion. Anything which is not “normal” and “right” and “proper” is “gay”, therefore any relationship between a man and a woman where he expresses any interest in her interests, much less where he might have his own interests which might be coded as “feminine” and therefore subhuman, is “gay”.

It follows that any relationship between a man and anyone else which can’t be summed up as “give me a blowjob and then make me a sandwich” is “gay”, QED.

I need a long hot shower now. Possibly in lye.

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There are animals where males compete for access to harems of females. And some like wrasses where large females can turn into males to compete for them, because that’s nature, but that’s beside the point. The point is wrasses also have sneaker males that pass on their genes by slipping past the dominant males. In side-blotched lizards the little sneakers are known to do much better against the big dominant males than against the medium monogamous ones, which is why they have all three types.

And here? Men don’t even have to sneak. They just have to not be a miserable dick about everything, and they will have far more mating opportunities, even if their goal were to have offspring with multiple partners. Less work for better results at the low cost of occasionally admitting you think a table looks nice. It seems so obviously win-win. If our behavior were actually genetic instead of cultural the Matt Walshes of the world would be driving themselves to very fast extinction.

That’s not even talking about any of the countless other things that make human life worthwhile. That’s just with the goal of spreading genes the same as a mayfly or drone bee or Elon Musk. It only gets stupider if you care about all the other things humans can do.

I don’t know, I think maybe it is a fetish culture after all, just a really awful one that doesn’t have any of the usual boundaries.

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I’m so confused. From what i have seen (unintentionally, i assure you) this “sigma” male is just a guy who refuses to play the damned game and does his own thing, is “equivalent” to their supposed “alpha,” who is predictably a dick, and yet seems to be generally an acceptable dude. Why are they not glorifying this “sigma” thing? Oh, because being a dick is what the whole game is about, maybe?

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Picture this:

a man in a suit and bow tie is riding a bicycle down a street

But instead of “I meant to fall off a bicycle”, substitute “I meant to be an asshole”.

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My understanding (I could easily be wrong) is that a Sigma could be an Alpha if he wanted to, but he’s so awesome and cool that he doesn’t see the point. But he still accepts the rules of the game, he just doesn’t bother playing it.

A Beta is a man who has also accepted the rules of the game, and accepted that they will never be an Alpha. That is, they play the game but lost. In their estimation, those who reject the game because they wouldn’t have won it anyway are relegated to Gammas or Omegas: having denied the only thing that matters, they are beneath contempt or notice, even by the desperate Betas who, seeing themselves as unable to gain the status of Alpha, are resigned to competing for the Alpha’s notice and goodwill.

Women, in this construction, only have consequence insofar as they have a relationship to men. Women are prizes, not people. An Alpha or a Sigma is assumed to be able to collect a harem if he wanted to, whether or not he does is his decision. And of course, if a Sigma has a harem, or one devoted woman, or is celibate, that’s his choice and has nothing to do with his status. What makes one an Alpha or a Sigma or a Beta is entirely predicated on his relationship to other men.
A Beta will take what he can get, and whether he’s happy with it or not is irrelevant. Whether she is happy with it, even more irrelevant.

And the rest of us looking on from the outside know that the premises are ridiculous, and the only way to win is to choose not to play. For most men who are functioning human beings, asking whether one is an Alpha or not is like asking me whether I’m a quarterback, or do I field at leg slip. The simple but wrong answer is just “no”, but the longer and more accurate answer is “no, what are you talking about, you freak? That’s not even wrong.”

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Every time I read examples of toxicity like this, I channel the ancestors (or Reese Waters) and ask, “Who raised y’all?” Is this what they learned from watching their parents, or something they picked up from people with issues on a social media platform? :thinking:

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I wonder where the name Sigma even came from. Like, I understand what Alpha and Beta are supposed to be.

qwantz Discredited research about dogs

But who looked at the letter sigma and was all “ah perfect, here is a symbol that definitely does not follow alpha but exists entirely outside the Greek alphabet”? Or is it supposed to be like a Japanese game show where they sometimes have a special difficulty S before A and B…only now it’s for people who don’t play? I’m not sure they entirely thought this through.

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I don’t usually get to be the pedant, but

In Greek, it’s the 18th letter (S).

That said,

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Honestly the whole alphabet rank system for mapping male insecurity is the kind of stupid shit middle school kids come up with.

It’s disturbing to see people over 15, let alone 20, fail to grow out of it or worse yet use it capitalize on the next generation.

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If I had known in high school that after graduation I wold not be leaving the idiot asshole redneck jocks behind, and that they would indeed be running the goddamn country, I don’t know if I could have survived.

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That’s my point – if you wanted to pick a symbol that didn’t follow alpha, you could pick pretty much anything from any alphabet or script except another Greek letter.

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It’s weird to me because my exposure to sigma has two distinct connotations:

Addition or standard deviation.

But not like it’s being “rebellious” or something. Oooh I’m so far from average. You want a lower number if you want a lower defect rate in a manufacturing process…

sigma is not really the reckless badboy of the math world either?

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Ha that’s a great cartoon.

So often this nonsense involves “I noticed girls/women sometimes date jerks, this breaks my brain so it must be that [insert made up pseudo-scientific justification]”

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I tried to figure out where this “Sigma” designation came from, and as far as I can see it was an invention of the fascist, misogynistic Vox Day. You may remember this flaccid skinsack from the whole Sad Puppies attempt to hollow out the Hugo Awards and squat inside it with a sign saying “No Gurlz!!”.

Everyone who’s coming up with associations and possible explanations or meanings behind the choice of Sigma for this is giving the coiner vastly too much credit.

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