Given the fact that it looks like Trump also won the popular vote, that wasn’t the problem. We have a bigger problem, and that is how many people think Donald Trump and the MAGA movement is The Way. Who could Democrats have nominated that would have prevented this? Gavin Newsom? Please. He would have done worse with progressives than Harris did. Bernie Sanders? No way. He’s older then Biden and a self described socialist. Josh Stein? Too much antisemitism in the country. Gretchen Whitmer? Clearly, this country is not going to elect a woman as President yet. No, the problem is half of this country (and please don’t tell me it’s not half…it clearly is) think that Trump and his ilk are right about things. And that’s a problem. It’s a big, big problem. Democrats and progressives need to find a way to combat the propaganda and misinformation from the right. And corporate media isn’t going to help, not even MSNBC. I don’t know what to do. I really don’t. I don’t know, maybe we’re just going to have to let people learn this the hard way. Of course, the problem with that is how many people will be sacrificed for them to learn? It was over a million Trump’s first term. And hell, one of those sacrifices could be me. I am not ok this morning. I am really not ok.
The collective punishment inside and outside is likely to be extreme. Full stop.
Among other things, Putin is probably doing cartwheels of joy right now.
Well, that’s the USA fucked sideways into a cocked hat.
I don’t need analysis or debate to know what happened or what to blame. This result is the triumph of misogyny and racism and willful ignorance in America, period-endstop.
Before I bow out of this topic and try to focus on other things, I hope our more vulnerable members here are making plans to stay safe as their resources and personal situations allow. The fascists are ready this time, which means we have to take care of each-other. Virtual hugs to everyone here, because I know we’re all hurting this morning.
The US is no longer in decline. Historians will note that last night the country ended.
Geez, cold light of a grey cloudy day.
America, what have you done?
I’ll leave the analysis of the entrails of this to others.
We are not without our troubles, a**holes live here too, but 
is somewhere where a mutant is, on the whole, fairly safe. A young 
/ Tennessee lesbian couple we were chatting with in Algonquin Park (a fair few years ago) were remarking on how comfortable they felt. May Martin’s series “Feel Good” (hard watch for me) has an episode where her friend George asks if they are in the “gay district” of Toronto, and they’re not, it’s just chill, and it really is. A colleague of mine whom I met when we were consulting for a pension fund felt perfectly comfortable putting his wedding photo, with himself in spectacular drag, on LinkedIn.
And, on the plus side, refugees from the Viet Nam draft were a huge boost to our economy. Of late, the burden on our housing stock has been a problem.
since Trump has seen around, 113,000 refugees have shown up at irregular border crossings from the 
, of which around 46,000 have been accepted as refugees. The numbers picked up again in 2023; I’m not sure why, but I’ll be surprised if we don’t see an influx again.
I live about a mile away from what I presume would be a nuclear target in the event of WWIII. Is that close enough to be killed instantly?
Hey, me too!
But I’m not sure if the bomb will come from Putin or Trump.
It’s all about line of sight, at that distance. Avoid hilly country if you can.
Also:
Oh gods, I really shouldn’t, but…
Putin via Trump.
Helsinki doesn’t really have hills… I prefer to leave a shadow over slow death in bomb shelter or nuclear winter…
Since a lot of people here are likely in the line of fire, can we have a day where we can mourn this before we get people saying “i told you so”… like fucking, please.
I’ve never been so scared in my life for myself, for so many people I care about, and “I told you so” isn’t very fucking helpful right now.
I really didn’t miss this kind of planning, from the 80s.
cannot f@#$n believe that misogyny trumps democracy for so many Americans. i don’t see how any of the establishing ethics of this country will survive this. Please hug all your family and do what you can to keep them safe. [gap-jawed feckless disbelief]
People hate women and they especially hate competent Black women.
Don’t let them see your fear. That’s all they live for.
I still have faith in America
Good for you, Robert. I don’t.
Nukemap was literally the second website I visited this morning, after the Guardian. I wanted to see how the fallout will drift when Putin uses tactical nukes in Ukraine after the US leave NATO.