Citation needed. And again, progressives are a very small percentage of elected Democrats and voters, so what difference would that make? Hakeem Jeffries and Nancy Pelosi would absolutely welcome her.
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Yes, I think you’d be wrong to say Harris decided to fight for the centrists. I think she saw support from Democrats across the spectrum (and should have received that support, based on the progressive nature of the Biden admin, which she was a part of) and was working to expand her voting base into moderate and Never Trump Republicans. What she clearly didn’t count on was the racism and misogyny of the entire US electorate, across the spectrum. And that makes me depressed to write that, but it’s the logical conclusion.
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I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. There’s a whole fucking thread here on the topic!
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She campaigned with Liz Cheney and probably promised her a seat in her cabinet. She promised to put a Republican in her cabinet, and that was almost certainly going to be Cheney. She barely mentioned LGBTQ people throughout the campaign. Trans people weren’t mentioned once at the DNC. When Trump was airing all those anti-trans attack ads during football games, she never once addressed them. Complete silence. Also, while she did praise the Biden administration, she also tried to distance herself from it when asked if she would continue those policies. I got the impression she was trying to appeal to the center. I am on the far left. I did not feel appealed to. Fuck, as a trans woman, I felt thrown under a goddamn bus!
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What thread is that?
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Guessing it’s this one:
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That’s not about shunning. What, are we supposed to pretend the Democratic Party is perfect? We can’t criticize it?
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I don’t even know anymore. I feel like I lost the script about 20 replies back, so I’m going to bow out for now.
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I wasn’t aiming my reply at you. Sorry. I didn’t mean to shoot the messenger. I’m going to bed, though. It’s late, and I need sleep.
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For the record, I checked, and she actually had 0.862 million votes making 0.56% of the total – more than RFK Jr. or the libertarians but less than them together. In an election with 64% turnout. I don’t think her voters helped but they are not the main problem, and if we are talking about welcoming potential allies I don’t see the sense in condemning them.
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I totally get it, and it’s all good.
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But is that what’s actually in that thread? It didn’t look like it to me. It was mostly griping and trashing the whole party from what I saw, and my suggestion to identify individuals instead of the whole party was met with such hostility that I noped the hell out of it.
You know me well enough by now to recognize I don’t dislike disagreement - heck, I enjoy it. But I don’t need to stick around where my perspective is unwelcome. And that’s what I got in that thread.
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Interesting. But I asked you who was shunning moderates (not people here…I mean people in the Democratic Party machinery), and got no answer so far.
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Yeah I think the issue is there are definitely people who will vote Dem and who are willing to ally with Cheney to stop Trump. I’m one because I HARD prioritize domestic issues with an obvious bias that some people would, in fact, deem cruel… and, well, I disagree with their priorities and they with mine and that’s that. I could be wrong and if so I’m just wrong and will have been wrong.
So I’ve heard lots about how people didn’t vote harris because she aligned with the nepodevils of the old guard of the GOP and their evil crusades. Ok fair enough. It’s not a lie, is it?
Back in the Bush era I remember vividly just desperately wanting some one with a fresh take who would be willing/able to improve something while really still having no fucking clue what that would really and practically look or sound like.
By 2020 I was just desperate to stop the progress of the coup that people seemed entirely in denial over.
By 2024 I was fully traumatized and exhausted by the sustained attack on my government from within.
The criticism that people like myself were primarily motivated by fear was strong, and it was true.
And it is worse now than I could imagine then because I don’t like to imagine such awful things.
But then also a significant amount of the people who would vote for Cheney over Trump, especially if they are more on the big business side of the spectrum, will fucking also not align with anyone they perceive as too leftist, too radical, etc.
This is not even touching the fact that a SIGNIFICANT part of this country and the democratic party as well as the GOP is absolutely sympathetic to and strongly biased in favor of Israel in a clear way.
So who compromises in a situation like that?
Hey Jewish people, Palestinians, general antisemites, Muslims, and anyone who prioritizes stopping an active genocide at all costs: SHUT UP YA DOLTS! 
That’s not exactly a sensible take is it? and isn’t likely to work.
I have my way of coping and I just bristle up and figure if anyone wants to tell me my heart hasn’t bled enough they can suck it? But that doesn’t do much for getting a democratic president.
But what else. I think, perhaps, the fundamental problem here is that the Dems have irreconcilable differences like they are caught in a baboon trap here and are going to have to let go of something.
*When I think about it… I don’t think aligning with Cheney was a mistake because it’s evil/amoral, but I do ultimately I think it was a mistake because the perception among Dem voters like myself was that Cheney had put party aside for what was right but among Republicans and Independents it was that she was a turncoat, a liar, an evil clout chaser and/or fraud from an evil empire. The alliance was, in that sense the right thing to do and also a strategic mistake.
Also once you decide to uphold the status quo to stop the Trump revolution then you clearly aren’t a revolutionary because if you were then Trump is your opportunity to revolt. I imagine some people who wanted, for one reason or another, to topple the United States saw their chance for what it was. Some of them, might have also voted dem if they hadn’t had the option of joining a coup and toppling an evil empire instead… and still others, it seems, showed up with carpet bags.
So who are the target demographics here. I don’t know actually. I don’t know where I sit in this chaos let alone anyone else.
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That’s not what I wrote. I was referring to people, not politicians. I was referring to voters, activists, protesters, and, yeah, people here shunning allies due to purity politics.
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I don’t want to derail this thread again with this discussion, but after a night’s sleep, I regret engaging in this conversation last night. I watched the first part of the video you posted, and I’m really not sure why you posted it here. It doesn’t involve HCR at all. So I shouldn’t have even responded to it, and we really, seriously took over this thread last night with a conversation that didn’t belong here. So for that, I apologize to everyone and especially to @Millie_Fink, since she started this thread.
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HCR has been writing pretty heavily about fighting fascism. That’s the topic of the video I posted and my post.
I muted the Problems with Democrats thread, so I certainly wasn’t going to post there ever again.
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Same. Bad for my global outlook.
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I put my two cents over there.
I’m encouraging you to revisit it, because it seems the discussion belongs there.
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I went off mute long enough to read and like your comment, but I don’t feel welcome there. That was made abundantly clear. I don’t need that added stress in my life right now.
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