Exactly, and this battle needs to be fought as well. Sex workers are often raped, and their assailants walk free among us.
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Yup. I was adult-sized and adult-looking by the time I was 13. Even outside of bars, just walking down the street, itâs amazing what some guys think is okay to say and do.
Sometimes blurting out my real age helped. Not always. I remember being really offended when an otherwise-professional colleague at my office summer job said I was âjailbaitâ. To me that indicated I was trying to hide how young I was, but I most certainly was not.
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Yeah you think?
If theyâre teetotalers , why are they in a bar to begin with?
Besides, Iâll accept a drink that someone else refuses to drink when I get in a white panel van with âFree Candyâ written on the side.
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Speaking as a teetotaler, I often go to bars because a group of my friends are going to a bar. And it seems like everyoneâs advice for meeting new people includes that as a suggestion, to the point where I occasionally consider it.
That said, I doubt Iâd ever buy someone a drink (or, at least, not until I got a firm handle on the etiquette involved), simply because, as a sober person, I donât like interacting with intoxicated people.
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Dude. Thats a bit much donât you think?
Prostitution being legal or not legal has no standing because a) none of those women were prostitutes and b) assaulting a prostitute is still assault and thus illegal.
Glad youâre a good Dad, no idea what that has to do with anything here either.
I would hope that you would be empathetic to women regardless of your standing as a âFather of daughtersâ - I also hope that men would stop throwing the women in their lives at us as a defence actually, you all have Mothers, why is only daughters that trigger empathy? What about aunts, or sisters, or oh I donât know⌠wives or girlfriends?
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I wish I had as good an understanding of the law as some people here. However, I feel that there is simply nothing I can write which will explain what Iâm trying to say without, as I see it, being misinterpreted. (Why daughters? Because of course they were the ones who most recently had part time or student jobs. My wife and I went straight from university into career without, due to the existence of grants in those days, ever having to take casual work. Thatâs the explanation.)
I think I finally get the message and wonât contribute to this or the Not Feminism thread in future.
Fair point. For me, it would be that some friends dragged me along on the way to somewhere else, or there was some kind of event at the bar that didnât involve drinking. If it was just a bar where my friends were drinking, I might come along to hang out, but then again I might not. There are plenty of places to hang out where I can have a conversation with my friends without having to shout over the loud boisterous drunks sitting next to me.
Itâs still a far cry from one rando hanging out at the bar yet not drinking.
Yeah, but itâs not the only game in town. If you donât like interacting with intoxicated people,* then it might not be any game, because youâre mainly going to meet intoxicated people in a bar.
*Do you mean you simply prefer not to be around people when theyâre drinking because you find drunk people annoying, or is there something triggering to you about drinking and alcoholism?
I will go to bars to people watch, but I do drink on occasion. However, thereâs a few caveats. I am not a sloppy drunk and I donât like sloppy drunks, I donât watch sports so sports bars are out, and I prefer places that draw a fairly wide range of people and/or have a dedicated crowd of regulars that have made themselves part of the scenery.
/derail
Anyway, I wouldnât go to some random crowded bar, by myself, then buy some random girl a drink, then declare that I personally donât drink. That sends all sorts of red flags.
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I have a family history of alcoholism, so Iâd frankly be more surprised if I didnât have somewhat of a negative trigger than if I identified one that I have.
But what I meant was basically that yeah, I find drunk people annoying.
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If thats the message youâre taking away thereâs not much I can say.
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WowâŚ
I donât know what happened in this thread since the last time I looked at it, but I seriously doubt thatâs the message being sent.
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This is my benefit-of-hindsight-and-of-the-doubt reconstruction of what happened:
@Voynaimor interpreted âNDAs donât cover illegal behaviorâ to mean âIf someone signs an NDA with the intention of doing something illegal, the NDA is not binding.â
Everyone else interpreted it as âIf someone signs an NDA and something illegal is done to them, the NDA does not bind against them reporting it.â
So, V says âBut prostitution is legal, so the NDA should still be binding,â everyone else interprets that to mean, âthese women were hired as prostitutes and thus what was done to them (groping etc.) wasnât illegalâŚâ
And it goes downhill from there.
I may be wrong and that may not be what happened, but thatâs an interpretation of the facts that leaves everyone a good person, so thatâs my headcanon until proven otherwise.
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Thanks for the recap.
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My comments about sex workers and their need for protection were not directed at V.
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This week in #MeToo (thread):
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When I started this thread, I could not believe it would grow so long. Amazing this shift.
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Earlier today on the CBC:
MacLeod, Jones, Raitt and Mulroney may have the additional advantage of providing a clear break from Brownâs alleged misconduct.
âOne advantage for the PCs with a woman leader is they would have an image of newness after Patrick Brown, which is harder to create if he were succeeded by a man with similar age and racial characteristics,â Sylvia Bashevkin, a political science professor at the University of Toronto, said in an email to CBC News.
âWhat Iâm hearing for the most part is thereâs a lot of momentum toward making sure weâve got a woman leader, or at least putting a woman forward as a possible candidate,â said Conservative strategist Jason Lietaer.
Just now:
In an unexpected twist, the Tories chose⌠an old white guy!
For reactions from the field, we go to Iago.
Thank you, Iago. Back to you.
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The best are the conspiracy theorists saying this is a paid Liberal ploy and its all lies paid for by Kathleen Wynne. And I laugh and laugh and laugh. Because conservative men being sketchy with drunk teenage girls is sooooooo unbelievable?
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And the next nomination for âmost pathetic excuseâ goes to:
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