Redoubtable Downtown Space Abbey - Players Handbook

[nimelennar]

Rank bonuses don’t take effect until next turn.

I’ll pull up the reference in a minute.

Edit to add:

Redoubtable Downtown Space Abbey - Turn 3 - Pomp and Promenade

All rank challenges are based on start-of-turn Rank, and as so the bonus would be applied against a rank of 410. Even while pursuing a larger income, one should have an eye on improving one’s own status as one never knows when an opportunity will present itself to one of appropriate station.

To merely hustle one’s possessions into a more fashionable neighborhood or purchase the bijou du jour because it is suddenly convenient? Absurd!

[Donald_Petersen]

So… uh… Renting the joint won’t get me into the dinner?

[nimelennar]

I assume not.

[Donald_Petersen]

Well, then how does renting a flashy carriage ride accomplish that? I ask you!

(he asks, tittering with glee at a fellow GM who has painted themselves into a logical corner)

[nimelennar]

Beats me, but there’s a reason I upgraded last turn, knowing the Ball was this month (and a reason I left that post unposted until the last minute, to avoid giving people the same idea).

[Donald_Petersen]

Well, fiddlesticks. No biggie, if @messana sez them’s the rules, then I’ll just nag the mayor instead of the governor, but I’ll still smirk at those who think a car rental is more influential than The Right Address, even if it does still smell of drying paint.

[Wisconsin_Platt]

Obviously you are seen in the carriage upon your arrival, thus making an immediate impression that allows you access to a more refined dining experience.

Whereas the apartment, while nice and longer lasting is something that must be seen and proven by your peers and betters to believe that you have actually made it into society.

Yes, yes, it is terribly superficial, but why else does one see so many flash sports cars in otherwise run down apartment complexes.

[Donald_Petersen]

Piffle. None of us are so nouveau as to be taken in by such an obvious ploy, which could be undertaken by any Sea Pea with the effrontery to swipe their mentors’ debit card out of a greatcoat pocket.

You all (ahem) know who I am.

[messana]

I have a question about real estate and rank:

The intended effect is:

Apartment rank bonuses are permanent and are applied at the end of the turn and are ‘permanent-ish’.

Carriages and other temporary bonuses are applied immediately, available for the duration of the turn, and do not carry over to the next round.

This will allow individuals the option to attend swankier events than they would be able to at the moment and help bridge the sudden shift from an income-focused to a rank-focused game phase.

Obviously you are seen in the carriage upon your arrival, thus making an immediate impression that allows you access to a more refined dining experience.

Precisely this. “Ohhh, I do believe the Governor himself has a sudden opening at his table and he’d be delighted for someone of your means to join him.”

[nimelennar]

The Side Alley, Outside the Leviathan Club

Reckon there’s goin’ to be a to-do in the Club? Anybody interested in taking numbers on that one?

I don’t suppose Mr. Boulderclaw has a book open on this affair?

[Donald_Petersen]

Apartment rank bonuses are permanent and are applied at the end of the turn and are ‘permanent-ish’.

Carriages and other temporary bonuses are applied immediately, available for the duration of the turn, and do not carry over to the next round.

Well, I understand the intent but the logic is shaky. Apartment rank bonuses last as long as you rent the apartment (just like carriage bonuses last as long as you rent the carriage… or, I imagine, longer since the round ostensibly lasts a season and the Governor’s Ball is probably just for the night, but whatever). The only practical difference is that one’s apartment lease renews automatically every round unless one actively cancels it by moving out… but one still has to pay for that bonus every single round. In a way, establishing a pecking order by show-offy owned real estate would make more sense. A rented car being more impressive than a rented apartment strikes me as a superficiality too far, if you take my meaning.

But the rules are the rules and I’ll live by 'em without complaint.

[nimelennar]

The only practical difference is that one’s apartment lease renews automatically every round unless one actively cancels it by moving out… but one still has to pay for that bonus every single round.

Another difference being that you don’t lose additional Rank for returning your carriage, but you do for downsizing your apartment.

[Donald_Petersen]

Richies are weird.

[daneel]

And carriage rentals are very expensive, in relation to apartments.

[Donald_Petersen]

I just looked, for laffs. I can rent a Ferrari 458 Italia for $1495 for 3 days (Monday thru Thursday–then it bumps up to $3750 for weekends).

[Donald_Petersen]

Another difference being that you don’t lose additional Rank for returning your carriage, but you do for downsizing your apartment.

You do? I mean, on top of just getting the lower Rank boost, do you get penalized on top of that?

Well, one would almost hope one could then get a Rank boost for upsizing.

[nimelennar]

You do? I mean, on top of just getting the lower Rank boost, do you get penalized on top of that?

Yep, and I get the impression that that Rank drop is permanent:

It should be noted that moving to a less desirable address, say from a Modest Apartment to a Spartan Apartment, would incur the expected -25 to rank as well as an equivalent penalty of rank-25 due to gossip about the circumstances. Equivalently, downgrading from a Proper Apartment to a Modest apartment would see a gossip penalty of rank-75. Appearances must be maintained after all.

[Donald_Petersen]

I thought so, but I couldn’t find that reference. Thanks!

[David_Falkayn]

I disagree, @Donald_Petersen. For an apartment move, the status effect should apply at the end of a turn (or, more precisely, at the beginning of the next).

Status must be established.

A proper move takes time

You must arrange for the apartment ( have you even worked with an Estate Agent in London? even now, the process is sllooowww).

Then you must transfer not only your possessions, but your staff, and all the personal connections that keep a Great House humming. (eg. a milk man, a green grocer, a butcher, a dustman, and a source of fresh eggs is but a partial list just for the cook)

Only THEN you can start hosting and establishing your place in the hierarchy.

It takes about a season.

[Donald_Petersen]

And yet any jumped-up newt with a scrounged fistful of pickpocketed banknotes for an hour’s hire of a flash carriage can land a seat at the Governor’s elbow.

A truly deplorable excuse for a “Society.”