God, what a fucking scumbag.
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I’m worried that Newsom is setting up a presidential run, but not as a Democrat…
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If I could make a suggestion?
While we’re fighting fascist authoritarianism, could we make our complaints about “Democrats” specific to the ones who are complicit and/or MIA? Because most are not, and when the people who are fighting for us or beside us are getting lumped in with the Chuck Schumers, we’re making their job more difficult.
Here’s a local (to me) opinion about this kind of thing, and she’s probably more progressive than most of the folks on this thread. When we get through this mess, we can figure out how to proceed, but if you’re like me and recognize that we are in an existential emergency, how about we work together instead of shitting on each other?
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Marco Rubio was confirmed 99-0. That’s complicity, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Every time Democrats vote in favor of Trumpian garbage, or refuse to take whatever steps are in their power to prevent it, they are complicit, and there has been far too much of that to ignore or conveniently brush aside.
I’m willing to make exceptions for those who prove themselves, I’m all for giving credit where credit is due, but honestly, I don’t care about their precious feelings any more. The most powerful and prominent Democratic politicians shaped the Party’s agenda for decades.They chose to pursue neoliberal agendas and hyper-policing strategies that helped set up this situation; they spent far too much time and effort chasing “moderate Republicans” and ignoring the demands of their true base, the people, for living minimum wages, Medicare for All, Roe V. Wade enshrined in law, etc.; they treated their roles as opportunities to hoard influence and money instead of making lives better for their voters. Their actions (and mostly INactions) helped get us here.
I will NOT stop pointing that out. They should have known it was a difficult job when they took it, and if they have such fragile wittle feefees that criticism from one tiny voice on our obscure little forum makes it too tough for them, well, then they don’t deserve to be in ANY leadership role, period. They can fill out one of these forms and get back to me.
I’ve been voting Democratic for my entire voting lifetime, and I’m sick and tired of getting abandoned and betrayed, and eventually winding up in the Fourth Reich anyway. My faith and trust in the Party is stone cold dead. So I just don’t give a rat’s ass if it’s a DemocraticTM-branded resistance or not. I just want a resistance. Maybe the butthurt bigwigs can join US for a change. Maybe they should be the ones putting their egos in check instead of demanding yet again that we set aside our legitimate wrath to protect their “delicate sensibilities.” Compromise is supposed to go both ways, after all, which is something they and their overblown egos have forgotten… and it’s been all take and no give for far, far too long. I acknowledge that some feuds may have to be temporarily set aside for the current struggle, but I’m not forgetting or forgiving anything.
This isn’t aimed at you, Duke. I know that there also are people on the ground that have been, and are, fighting the good fight, and this doesn’t apply to them either. But let’s face it, we’ve been asked to sacrifice our principles and priorities “for the cause” over and over and over for so damn long now…
…and what have we gotten in return for it? I am tired of hearing that demand, I feel broken by the compromises I have made in the past, and I’m not sure how much longer I can keep doing it and still be able to look at myself in a mirror. “Politics as usual” helped get us here; they won’t be a solution to get us out of it. We need and deserve something better, and if it’s never “the right time” to fight for it (and we’re always told “now isn’t the time, we’ll deal with that after the [primary/election/crisis du jour]”), how are we ever supposed to get it?
IMHO, while there is some merit to complaints about “civility” and “infighting” and “purity tactics,” they feel more and more like a form of victim blaming. “Never mind what the politicians are doing, you’re the reason we can’t have Nice Things because you can’t be bothered to fall in line (behind US, of course) and do it Our WayTM.” And I’m getting really fucking tired of that all-take-no-give attitude, too.
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THANK YOU.
No. I clapped my last clap for tinkerbell. I’m sick of being abused by these fucks and then gaslit about it because they’re “not the bad one.” They can find me where I am or they can miss me.
I have literally been lied to and gaslit by these asses for my entire goddamned life from that fucking POS rapist Clinton to that POS rapist friend of his Trump.
I’m tired of being used, taken for granted, and insulted while my rights are destroyed. Fuck them.
This isn’t a purity test. My rights aren’t a fucking purity test. My values and morals aren’t meaningless fashion. My sense of safety and security in my economy and the laws of my country actually matter and they mattered my whole life too. My god, even my deep appreciation for food preservation science and medicine can have been… debased by this very party. Treated like fashion instead of a critical filter. Less important to party and public than weathered tan and a famous name. Some of these inconvenient “social issues” have made literal corpses of folks in my real life in the meantime already. Too late for them eh? Oh well don’t let it trouble you any! Vote blue! Right? Close your eyes and think of California.
Don’t dismiss us. Or do… and just live with the way that goes.
Like I said the message I hear is “we don’t need you as much as you need us” and so ok… I guess they don’t.
I call the bluff. Prove me wrong winners.
Win without me and anyone who feels like I do. Don’t count on me because I sure as fuck can’t count on you.
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Either way, he’s setting up to run as an asshole.
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DNC takes step towards ousting David Hogg as vice chair
https://www.axios.com/2025/05/13/david-hogg-dnc-vice-chair-democrats
That would also remove Malcom Kenyatta.
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I don’t know. After what he said on Bill Maher, I’m not sure I care.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Malcolm Kenyatta returned to the position afterwards.
But yeah, he’s another entitled white guy in a suit. He got moved ahead instead of his classmates who were women or POC for no good reason that I can see.
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At this point, I really have to agree with @Nightflyer and @tornpapernapkin above. I’m extremely close to saying I’m done with the Democratic Party. If they nominate Newsom in 2028, I will be.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he completely sold us out. He wants that tech bro money.
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Both of my senators voted to confirm Rubio. Since then, they haven’t voted in favor of a single nominee or bill. They genuinely are working their ass off to fight the regime. Sometimes, people make mistakes. It’s not all complicity.
Don’t stop. That’s not what I’m suggesting. I’m suggesting that it’s more productive to point out “these 9 Democrats voted for the SAVE Act and need to be protested and primaried” rather than “Democrats voted for the SAVE Act and I’ll never vote for a Democrat again” when 203 Democrats voted against it. Be specific rather than general and your point is more effective, anyway.
It’s not about their feefees, it’s about the effect on other voters. There were very clearly way too many independents and even some previous Democratic voters who somehow didn’t see the difference between the most progressive administration in 70 years and what T**** was offering. And there was a huge difference. There was a very big difference between what the Biden administration was doing than the Obama administration. The Biden administration was way more progressive. And yet people didn’t get the message. Complaining about “Democrats” just makes that problem worse.
Speaking of feefees, the people who won’t vote for Democrats because Democrats didn’t give them a pony are just as much at fault for T**** and T**** 2.0 as the full on MAGAs. We live with a 2 party system (at least, we did until it became a 1 party system) and people who can’t suck it up and work within that system to drive change so that, one day, we might be able to get to a multiparty system are part of the problem. They live in a fantasy world instead of reality. If they lack the patience or practicality to work towards that goal long-term, they really would be better off moving to a country that does have a multiparty system right now rather than destroy this one.
All that said, what’s clear is that current Democratic leadership is utterly unprepared for the task in front of them. Schumer is obviously unfit. From what I’ve seen, and it pains me to say it, neither is Hakeem Jeffries or Corey Booker. There needs to be a complete shakeup starting immediately. Fuck civility, it’s useless against fascists. Whoever is leading the resistance moving forward needs to know the history and fight instead of talk.
I’m not going to ask you to support Democrats. I would ask you to support individuals who actually resist; who actually fight for us and with us. Some of those folks are Democrats. Some aren’t. But that’s who we need to lead us through to the other side of this, and that’s who we’ll need to maintain momentum to keep from just getting a reset to 1980 and set back on the road to fascism again.
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That’s the thing. I might feel different if I felt like I was one of “the people who won’t vote for Democrats because Democrats didn’t give them a pony” and that wasn’t the only solution Democrats had for all the people they have burned out and let down along their glorious path to failure. The Maga movement raised a generation and launched a successful full on fascist coup while we screamed at them to help stop it.
This unfolded across decades.
Now the most successful and politically effective democrats are the ones that joined MAGA (there’s your compromise and collaboration in lieu of purity tests btw).
Leadership was unprepared then too and hasn’t gotten more prepared. They are, to me, now like a drunk cheating ex calling at night about “one more chance to save what matters for our family.”
This isn’t meant against you.
I don’t want to demoralize anyone else… but I also want to see strength because I’m weak and if I can dull the party’s shine then others can do much worse.
But I can’t be the only person who is… done. Like I have given up. I truly think I’d do just as well to try to carve out what rights I can in the New America by voting for saner republicans locally and forgetting about the Dems entirely.
The reason I’m being so blunt and loud about it ultimately is that I can’t be alone in this and so if the dems want to make themselves into something that actually represents the people like MAGA has for good or ill… they are going to have to be overthrown the way the GOP was and I see that clearly now.
I’m not even a far leftist politically, at least not economically. I’m pragmatic. I wanted social reforms and better healthcare and maybe maybe some military de-escalation where it can be afforded. I’m an alienated centrist capitalist from their last big tent venture. They’re still busy scraping off the bumper stickers from that I guess. If they are losing people like me then there is a bigger problem than just ponies and Palestine.
So where does one go from there? How is influencing my feelings about it going to fix anything either kwim?
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That’s unfair, and I feel like it’s insulting.
We don’t want a pony. We want them to do the jobs we elected them to do: to be our representatives, to use the power given to them to help US, not toady for their corporate donors. And some of us believe they have failed at that.
Look at abortion rights-- Democrats had decades to draft and enact something to make our right to body autonomy irrevocable… and they never did. Now it’s gone, and it may be decades more before we get it back, if we do. (I think we will eventually, but far too many women are already suffering and dying because of it, right now.) Even on Covid, they failed us-- Biden made a good start, but he declared the pandemic officially over way too soon, let all the supports lapse without any real fight, and people are still falling ill and dying from it.
I do NOT appreciate having our legitimate, earned grievances turned into slurs (seriously, a pony?!? Fuck that.) and yet more victim blaming. It is NOT the voters’ fault that our representatives chose to chase money and power instead of doing their sworn duties. All we can do as voters is make the best choices with the options we have. Putting the blame anywhere else but on the politicians who are still failing us is making excuses for them and won’t fix a damn thing. But it will create the very division among us that critics say they want to avoid and that our enemies crave, so congrats on that. 
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Yeah, me too…
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Yep. I’ve seen this before I think in social groups. Happened in Atheism for sure as it fractured and splintered into less effective and more toxic subgroups. They’re just going to oust all the women, black people, religious minorities, mid-leftists, disabled, etc. And once they’ve gotten rid of us all and won they will just turn right around and care this time eh? Of course not they are then going to focus on what is important and what is important is not… any of us. Or else they wouldn’t have to toss us overboard to “win” at winning or whatever it is their goal is (no really… what are they trying to achieve???).
I think when they cry about purity tests it’s projection. We are the impurities they wish to purge so they can be more like the GOP… and win. Women are unpopular. Forget about them they don’t get votes and half of them vote for Republicans. Probably be able to get rid of that voting bloc entirely in a few years anyway. Black people? Like 15% of the country? Fuck em. To many don’t vote anyway (never wonder why). Trans? No… real men are hot in focus groups. Tyson needs workers but immigration is unpopular so let’s get real excited about poor people breeding and make sure land stays expensive so they work more and longer!
Nah… the way I see it they already sold us. We are on our own.
So fuck them right back I say. That’s even putting aside the fact that I’m not even convinced they could win against trump’s third term in an actual fair election either.
And lastly… resistances… resist.
Resistance parties don’t ask people to stop resisting.
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Voting for ANY Trump nominee is complicity. It was obvious from the beginning that they are all incompetent hacks.
Ditto supporting unanimous consent. That’s not a mistake.
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