He’s no Malcolm Kenyatta.
I don’t share his concern that what’s really important is that men’s peni get attended too.
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Does that include ignoring attacks on marginalized groups, cause he seems to be okay with that…
Exactly. You want to a healthy, well-run society, you start by helping those at the margins and everything spreads from there.
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I don’t think framing the work that needs to happen in the Democratic party in terms of ageism is healthy or helpful either.
They don’t need to primary other Democrats because they are old but because of their voting records or misdeeds.
Overall I think the democratic party comes across as just trying to find the right “look” to get a vote and then dropping the costumes that don’t hit.
I know this show is… a mess… but I still am reminded of this scene:
And that’s my kinder more hopeful reaction.
Meanwhile I feel like we can vote for the bully or the toady.
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Comparing, contrasting this:
“The base of the party, they just want us to do anything,” the 25-year-old Florida activist and Democratic National Committee (DNC) vice-chair said in an interview last week. “They feel alone, they feel isolated, they feel unheard, and they feel like they’re not being fought for.”
with this:
Is the “base” Hogg is talking about opposed to the margins we are discussing here? I guess my takeaway is that there’s plenty of overlap in these two groups. Did I miss something here? (I often do.)
Hogg again [FTA]:
“We need to dramatically change,” Hogg said. “The fact that we spent $2bn last election cycle and still lost to a convicted felon who attempted to overthrow our government – and despite the fact that he has crashed our economy, despite the fact that he has disappeared people – our approvals remain where they are is a serious indictment of our party.”
Hell yeah that’s a serious indictment.
Did I miss something here?
Among the policies he wants to see Democrats champion: banning congressional stock trading and prohibiting presidents from owning cryptocurrency.
I support these two proposals. Crypto is the ultimate money laundry in addition to being ever-so-convenient for all national and international actors’ bribery needs.
“What I’m really worried about is my generation losing faith in democracy,” he said.
The Democrat describes a generation that played by the rules, only to learn the game was rigged. They pursued higher education, avoided drugs and underage drinking, lowered teen pregnancy rates, voted, often in record numbers, and yet they are saddled with student loan debt, struggling to afford rent, and deeply disillusioned with a political system that has failed to deliver economic fairness or financial security.
“We still find ourselves fucked, frankly,” he said.
Coworkers at one of my jobs live this truth. I see my friends’ kids who have told their parents (and I do quote) “America is over.” They either stopped voting or have no desire to start, to participate, in any way, in any election on any level. They’re done.
I reread The Guardian piece and I missed that too. Damn. Maybe my cognition is spiraling worse than I thought.
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After his comments on Bill Maher’s show recently, I am concerned that he would prefer we ignore many marginazlied groups to focus on bringing “back” in alienated white men who went for Trump. I say that the focus should not be on the very people who our entire society is built to cater to, but at the people at the margins (based on race, gender identity, sexual orientation, class, etc).
I agree that it is a serious indictment… he’s not wrong on that. But is the solution really to once again center middle class white men, because from what I’ve seen that’s his suggestion.
Both great!
Sure! So do all the working class kids I teach. And the Democratic party is part of the problem. But its their constant insistence that they need to be MORE like the Republicans, not draw a deeper distinction and push for truly progressive policies that will rein in neo-liberalism and ensure social justice goals, too.
Probably not! I think we’re just in an age of over-information and we’re all likely to miss stuff.
I think like lots of Democratic operatives, I agree with much of what they say, but they often feel like ignoring social justice will help them gain the white working class vote. I think the strategy should be opposite - pursue economic and social justice together, focus on building up protections for those suffering the most (including the white working classes) and go from there. Bottom up, not center out.
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I feel like this applies to a lot of people my age too, not just the truly young. Frankly it kind of applies to me directly except I managed to pay off my loans ( I actually feel overwhelmed at times with gratitude to have managed this).
Yet subconsciously I feel that if I met this man I would be excluded from his story.
I feel alienated by this whole democrat era too. Perhaps because this is the rhetoric of man’s alienating delusion. So how else could I feel from it?
We still just didn’t hurt the right Americans yet eh?
For one thing I feel like suddenly there are only two “ages” involved here in our country: 25 and 75 basically in some kind of grand generational conflict. All of this kind of talk is divisive and self-defeating.
Perhaps as I get into middle age I am just becoming very very VERY hostile when I feel I am being manipulated emotionally too.
Don’t sell me problems.
Sell me on the great vision you have for people, how and why I am included in it, and how you think it can be achieved.
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Thanks for this.
Did not see him on Maher’s show. So that is a chunk of info that I did not have.
Agreed.
And having a really good ground game–namely, organizing–to work bottom up takes a massive amount of time and energy. The timeline we have to work with now is urgent and brutal. Ugh.
(I’d rather it read “politics isn’t about right versus left; it’s about top versus bottom” … but you get the idea.)
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I guess this is the problem too isn’t it?
Like I was thinking about it now and how bad it looks that the framing that is coming out is like: Look the party kicked out the one white young man with young man ideas and now you know the Dems are evil.
I feel like both Hogg and the DNC played into this narrative. But I mostly blame him for selling himself that way and that’s where my POV comes from.
He’s the one who is trying to tell me he has a solution and his solution is to complain to management and then act like a victim.
We need solutions for complicated systemic reforms that require a lot of analysis and trust and some one who can sell it in big simple words to the most narcissistic white boy while not alienating everyone else who has already been kicked out of representation and even a safe place to live in their country of birth.
But David Hogg clearly isn’t that ubermench that is gonna save us and trying to sell it that way may con the rubes but it puts me off off.
Not to mention “relax bitch, he’s not really gonna do it” is already the GOP party tagline.
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The Great White Hope…
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But what is he really saying ? “We shouldn’t give a shit about them, no! We are here for you now and they won’t be a problem for you anymore. We are finally going to focus on YOU and not THEM.”
So why vote?
Or…So why not vote Republican. Even if you are “them.” Especially locally.
If it makes sense for one reason or another to any person then I think people would actually vote like that. If you’re going for independents, for instance, they are de facto non-committal.
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If we had say - insured a living wage, child care, health care, LGBTQ nondiscrimination, education, housing and the environment already - they’d have taken care of white men too.
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Right! That is why I hate this way of thinking so much. Because now we have a system that believes it has to explicitly hurt others to give a leg up to white men. And if we had just fucking cared about the real people no matter who they are who need help in our real country instead even most white boys would be in a better place right now.
But here comes the DNC cement to fill in the pools.
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Here comes the new boss,
Same as the old boss
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I think deep down they believe it. They are content to use women and minorities to run their grassroots campaigns and then dole out the money from that labor.
But what are they doing in return for those very people?
Pivoting like this, to me, is a death knell for a party.
If this is where they are then they need to capitulate. They’ve lost and Americans should know they are backs to the wall with a one party state officially.
No one wants to vote for the failed resistance party as the new revolutionary party anyway, especially just after Maga succeeded in launching a coup and now controls nearly all the branches of government in our country up to the depth and breadth of one of Clarence Thomas’s pubic hairs.
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Democrats who voted for the GENIUS Act stablecoin bill: Alsobrooks (MD), Blunt Rochester (DE), Booker (NJ), Cortez Masto (NV), Fetterman ¶, Gallego (AZ), Gillibrand (NY), Hassan (NH), Heinrich (NM), Lujan (NM), Ossoff (GA), Padilla (CA), Rosen (NV), Schiff (CA), Slotkin (MI), Warner (VA)
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, Alsobrooks!? I looked at https://www.followthecrypto.org/states/maryland & don’t see a donation for either senator. (Digs further) Man I completely missed that she co-sponsored this.
ETA: It didn’t pass yet, this was just to tee it up in the Senate, but still…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/394/all-actions
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