And i am gonna guess that not a single mind was changed. Facts do not matter to a certain sort of idiot.
I saw a video a few months ago about flat earthers who were offered a free trip to Antarctica to witness something (I forget what exactly) that would prove the earth was round. None of the most influential flat earthers showed up because they didn’t want to harm their grift.
The 24-hour sun running a complete circle through the southern sky, which would be impossible on the typical flat earth map (where Antarctica is the outside rim and the sun ought to be disappearing to the north).
…and a whole laundry-list of other experiments they did while they were there, which the big flat earthers have spent the time since frantically throwing out theories to try to deny the results of.
But, the good news is that there were some minds changed. One of the ones who went, Jeran Campanela, who was also involved in the light beam test mentioned in @Millie_Fink 's image, finally accepted the evidence. So there is hope…
Thanks
Well, this one is definitely going near the top of my “dumbest things ever read” list…
Vermont resident Alison Gu has filed a petition to vacate her 2018 bank-fraud conviction and to strike an order requiring her to pay $107,000 in restitution. She exhausted her appeals long ago, and has served her sentence already, except possibly for some time on supervised release. But Gu is still challenging the conviction, claiming she received ineffective assistance of counsel.
She is said to be especially upset with the defense lawyer who refused to call any of the actors she recruited to serve as “witnesses.”
The person she’s mad at now is Lisa Shelkrot, who represented Gu at trial and had an interesting experience in 2017 while preparing some witnesses Gu identified. (She related this in an affidavit filed after the court held Gu had, unwisely, waived attorney-client privilege by filing her action.) As Shelkrot was chatting with three of the witnesses, one happened to remark, “It’s for the movie.” Um, what movie would that be? she asked. Apparently confused, the witness responded, “Are you a real lawyer?”
Shelkrot said she was indeed a “real lawyer, with a real case and a real client, and that we were going to real court on Monday, where the witness would be expected to take a real oath.”
As she asked more questions … , Shelkrot said it became clear to her that the witness had been recruited to come to Vermont to play a part in some kind of movie or performance.
The New York actor had no actual knowledge about any facts about the Vermont fraud case and had been coached on what to say, Shelkrot reported.
Shelkrot said the defense team then got everybody into a conference room or on a speaker phone and she recorded the conversation. As she investigated further, Shelkrot said she was then told that the three “witnesses” in her office were actors, and they had responded to an advertisement in a Chinese language newspaper in New York looking for people to perform their roles.
Ronny Chieng on The Daily Show reported this story about a 911 operator / police department going after a frequent caller:
Went out to dinner w/the gang a coupla weekends ago. Our friend Chris brought his GF, whomst I’d never met. She’s orig from Long Island. While I was away from the table, D overheard her saying something truly stupid, not to mention snotty and snobby AF. Oh, how I wish I’d been there to hear it.
“You don’t have beaches here.”
Chris was stunned. “What do you mean?! The whole state’s surrounded by water! There are tons of beaches!”
“Listen, what you have here aren’t beaches. It’s freshwater.” Chris was stunned once again. “Sometimes I wish I’d never left Long Island.”
I would have said, “Yeah, me, too.”
The idiot probably would have asked either, “Oh, you’re from Long Island, too?” or “Oh! Where on Long Island are you from?” so I’d be forced to explain that I’m not from Long Island.
Can’t help wondering how ahem long it would take her to figure out that she’d been skillfully insulted with only three words.
Tip:
The circle six (XLNT band name) is one of the best ways to simultaneously parry (defend) and riposte (counter-attack) in fencing. You simply draw a 6 with your wrist and blade. The opponent’s blade is deflected, while your own can go in for a touche if a successful lunge is then apparent.
You can get your touche on the tush, if you get them from the side, or over their shoulder. Even a short fencer can do the over the shoulder move, when a taller opponent can be drawn downwards, with or without jumping up.
while i admit to being a saltwater snob (especially where fish are concerned), i agree that is one ill-informed statement worthy of ridicule!
perhaps Motown is not for the delicate nature of Lon-guy-land lady? perhaps a long boat trip out onto one of those freshwater bodies could impress upon her a different perspective?
Chris could always take the idiot to Sleeping Bear Dunes
and ask if that’s beach enough for the bitch.
wow! thought i was looking at
Bahia Honda for a second.
then i notice elevation. that, we ain’t got…
beautiful beach, by the way! let sleeping bears lie? prolly for the best, yeah?
Not many places in Michigan, one assumes, could be mistaken for Florida!
The name comes from a sad Ojibwe legend.
A few of them did, actually, and at least one got ostracized after admitting the flat Earth model couldn’t possibly be true after personally seeing the sun not set.
That’s wild, but it’s a pretty good illustration of one of the ethical requirements of an attorney.
While this precise dilemma is not something discussed in ethics class (it “appears to be a novel idea,” remember), the general situation is. Namely, what do you do if you think your client’s planning to lie on the stand or have others lie for her? You have a duty to the court and legal system not to put on false evidence, but also a duty of loyalty and confidentiality to the client. Most authorities have resolved this by saying the lawyer can’t elicit false testimony, but also can’t keep the client off the stand if she insists on testifying. So you call the client to the stand, let her talk, ask no questions , and then have a seat.
An attorney can get into serious trouble if they put someone on the stand they know is going to lie. This is why criminal defense attorneys will often stop prospective clients who are about to try to convince them of their innocence (or, worse, admit their guilt) and say “I don’t need to know that.” Now, it’s not enough that a lawyer suspects a witness is going to lie. They have to know they’re going to lie. If you know that, you cannot allow them to testify. If you ever see a news story about a lawyer asking the court to allow them to withdraw from representing someone right before going to trial, that’s what that is probably about. They probably have a client who is insisting on testifying, and the lawyer knows the client is going to lie on the stand. And it puts a lawyer in a tough spot. You can’t knowingly allow someone to lie on the stand, but the client also has a constitutional right to testify on their behalf if they so wish, so you can’t prevent them from testifying.
If the n00b stays, take her to Port Huron’s state park just north of town. So. Much. Beach!