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Collins never bothers to address the rest of the world, or if it even still exists.

And I have to assume it doesn’t; because it’s just not plausible to that our government would fall and other foreign powers would not descend upon the country - not just for its’ resources, but out of sheer vengeance for everything the US has done to the rest of the developed world, over the last 4 centuries.

Especially not now, when we see the covert efforts that have been in play to destabilize the country.

There’s no way Russia or China or whomever wouldn’t pounce the moment our military was no longer a viable threat.

I get what you’re saying; that humans can adapt to any conditions, no matter how horrible or inhumane. And you’re right.

My point is that such conditions don’t just develop overnight, or even in a century… not without some serious impetus and cataclysmic changes… which Collins never provides or even hints at.

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No, after the collapse of our existing government as we now know it; that’s why this sticks in my craw so badly.

Collins made it very clear that the setting for HG is supposed to be the remains of what was once the United States, and not even the entirety of it; just the main middle portion:

So even being willing to wave away the rest of the planet as ‘MIA’- “we don’t know what happened because the citizens of Panem don’t know,” WTF happened to the Western and Eastern seaboards?

Again, that speaks to some sort of major fucking catastrophe happening at some point in the past that Collins never bothers to do more than even hint at, if that.

Had Collins placed her novels in some other reality or a completely fictitious setting, I’d have less of a problem with this particular aspect of the narrative.

But since she did set it in the US, it just comes across as yet another self-absorbed ‘American exceptionalism’ perspective; only the heartland of America survived whatever “really bad thing” happened, and only America matters.

O_O

No need for all that; a few lines strewn here and there would have done the trick:

She could have had tertiary characters gossiping about old legends involving a ‘big boom’ or a ‘great plague’ that caused unimaginable destruction and chaos, from which the “great and wise” leaders of panem rose up and ‘saved’ the remains of humanity (which is exactly how a fascist regime like the capitol would spin it.)

But again, she didn’t even deign to do that; maybe JK Rowling spoiled me when it comes to kids’ literature, but my opinion is that’s just some lazy ass writing.

I understand why; that’s basically a kick ass action flick, not a series of novels featuring a ‘strong female lead’ meant for young adults. Dollars to donuts, HG would not even exist if BR wasn’t a cult hit.

Therein is my whole problem with HG; Collins completely failed to suspend my disbelief that the narrative she pulled out of her ass is plausible.

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I know I shouln’t be this aggro about y/a fiction, but I’d bought those books with the specific intent of reading them/giving them to my kid.

And then I read them in their entirety, and realized what a piss poor addition they would be to a library that includes novels like a Wrinkle in Time, the original Arabian Nights and Harry Potter.

Like Mal always says, the stories we tell ourselves matter.

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Yeah, from what you’ve said about your library, it sounds like you’re already operating at a more discerning level, which automatically shrinks the pool of books worth adding to that library. At least with the Arabian Nights (and I’m sure others) older works are already part of the mix, which must help.

The most interesting thing for me with HG was the structure, and how obvious it was that Collins had done television work. Always ending chapters on a cliffhanger and so on.

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Ah, I did not know that; it makes sense.

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Oh, speaking of YA books of quality, have you read any of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett?

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I’ve read all of them, and I’m in no way a young adult. IMO they’re among Pratchett’s best work.

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No, but they are on my list now.

:smiley:

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Getting you into Pratchett is a definite squee for me.

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Not to un-squee you, but I’m already hip to much of Prachett’s work; just not that series.

Also, I had no idea Killjoys was back!

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I’m feeling all the squee today. No danger there. I’ll have to check out Killjoys.

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Do it! From what you’ve told us, your daughter may like them too.

Read them in the order they were published, as Tiffany grows and matures through the series.

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The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents for 10-13, and Monstrous Regiment for High School. And all the rest too.

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Don’t get attached to anybody. Almost everybody dies, including probably the characters you liked.

Basically not worth it :-1:

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You soooo have to catch up; s4 of Killjoys is pretty amazing, so far.

And I am bummed that no one at AV Club is recapping it.

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Just started s3.

This series just gets better, unfolding itself over and over.

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The SciFi channel renewed the series up to S5, so hopefully the quality stays high and the story-line finishes strong.

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Okay, this is pretty cool:

And look at this tweet!

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I’m not sure what to think of iZombie. I’ve seen every season up until this one, I think. Watchable, interesting enough, good entertainment, not too deep.

Put Kareem in there and I would watch the shit out of it.

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I really like iZombie… it’s full of pop culture references, which I love, but not too deep for sure. I love the fact that they did a D&D episode 2 seasons ago!

I’m looking forward to the season with KAJ, although it’s the final one.

Also, just cause I like this gif!

i-zombie-ass-kicked-girl

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