Negligence instead of evil-- but the effect is the same:
I reject the distinction.
A similar tailings dam, owned in part by the same company burst a few years back, with similar results. And then they seem to have expanded this mine beyond the dam’s rated capacity.
At a certain point, acting with the knowledge that something horrible is eventually going to happen because of your actions, and not caring enough to do anything to prevent it, is every bit as evil as deliberately causing the same thing to happen.
Look at, for example, Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer. On every post, he put disclaimers that he didn’t want people to do anything illegal to the people he doxxed. But his followers, enabled by his hate posts, took illegal action anyway.
Were his actions any less evil because he just didn’t care if his victims got harassed, rather than explicitly calling for that harassment? I don’t think so.
If you know what the results of your actions will be, and you choose to go through with those actions, then I can’t see how those results can be characterized as anything other than the results that you intend, whether or not they’re something that you really want to happen.
Yup. This book does a good job at digging into that sort of thing:
It’s evil, and incredibly pervasive.
I think this is the appropriate thread.
Bah! Since when has capitalism been evil?!
This is about the least surprising news in quite a while. These bastards are a big black hole sucking in our money and time, and keeping nurses (and ex-nurses in doctors’ offices) busy with make work.
Yeah. I can’t imagine how much time employees in doctor’s offices spend in dealing with insurance cos and drug companies… Many have entire staff portion JUST to deal with these back end issues! It’s an insane way to run a business, much less provide needed care for human beings!
It is a concern I have that if the US ever went to Single Payer, a whole lot of middlemen would be out of a job.
And we remember what Capt. Mal had to say about that…
Respect coming to a middle?
Just to add an example to that, I haven’t been to the doc in awhile, requested an appointment and got the response that there’s a two-month waiting list. I also need to see a different doc/specialist (have to look up the info to make an appointment), but the last time I made an appointment there it got moved an entire year and eventually canceled.
Isn’t this exactly what they warned us would be the result of socialized medicine?
Meanwhile the people with socialized medicine are laughing at us. 
Not usually laughing, except at politicians ranting about “death panels” and so on. More just staring with our hands over our mouths.
Well, there are death panels. What else can you call US Medicaid work requirements or UK welfare cuts? people die.
Or our present health “system” in general.
Or they can work in other insurance industries that are growing (house, flood, fire, etc), or they can transition to working in the public system instead. Or they can continue to work in the private industry that will continue to exist alongside the public one.
Either way, at the very least, people who are NOT doctors need to stop deciding at a distance what care I need and denying claims for that care because they believe it to be unnecessary, for what the fuck ever reasons - saving money, I guess, because it’s better for me to continue to suffer with endless head aches and continuing to build up antibiotic immunity, so they don’t have to pay out for a claim, even though we’ve paid them tens of thousands dollars over the years.
And we’re lucky that we can try and deal with this, and can probably even pay it if push comes to shove. What about the millions of Americans who are routinely denied care that are living pay check to pay check?
This system is built around making insurance execs richer, not ensuring we all get better health care. I don’t understand why my health and well being should be sacrificed so that the insurance cos can save a couple of bucks…
The death panels are in the insurance cos…