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if they could use their magic and deep pockets to make a deal with Harmy and release his editions, first for a run in theaters and then as an official blu-ray release, they would make soooooo muuuchhhh moneyyyyyy

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I’d follow a different line of reasoning with Blade Runner, which also has too many versions

It was not a hit in the theaters, and developed into a cult film based on VHS rentals, I think

Accordingly I’d give the ā€œinternational versionā€ in the video stores a lot of weight with that one

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My copy of Bladerunner has three discs:
one: final cut (2007)
two: original theatrical cut (1982), original international cut (1982) director’s cut (1991)
three: work print and special features

for some reason, it doesn’t have the international director’s cut. Maybe there’s a menu option I’ve overlooked.

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The ā€œinternational cutā€ is what everybody saw on video in the '80s

and the ā€œworkprintā€ is the only one I’ve ever seen in a theater

so I’m going to go with those two :+1: :+1:

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I’m waiting for the ā€œOriginal International Final Director’s Cut Work Print.ā€
This is the version that reveals that the owl is, in fact, not artificial and Deckard doesn’t like it.

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The difference with Blade Runner is that the vast majority of the changes are in editing, not in CGI overprints and replacing sounds which were already in the release version. I know they had Ford’s son do some scenes because of missing angles or whatever, but it wasn’t the fundamental change of giving Greedo lines he never had, making him shoot when he didn’t, putting storm troopers on beasts which didn’t exist in the original version, and on and on.

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You add voiceovers and a happy ending just to please the audiences who might be confused by the whole thing, and see what they reward you with?

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Dollface. All allegory, at double-time.

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I mostly agree, but… changes to bit characters, for me, were never a huge issue… throw in extra stormtroopers, extra x-wings, whatever… it may or may not be prettier, but as long as it doesn’t change the imbalance of the sides…

Changing a fundamental pivot point of a character, though… that’s an issue. Especially when said character goes through the rest of the movie (and further ones) saying they’re looking out for themselves. Putting Solo in a position where a bounty hunter has all but directly told him that he’s about to die, and then somehow claiming that it’s more true to the character that he not shoot first just makes the rest of his actions in the movie make very little sense. There’s any number of points of the original trilogy that rely on him being at least a somewhat ambiguous character, and shoehorning in that one ā€œself defenseā€ thing really minimizes the rest.

And using that absolutely stupid CGI jerk to the side, and then keeping it even though technology is so much better now…

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IIRC, the international cuts were bloodier than the domestic cuts. Which is not to say that you haven’t seen them-- just that two different levels of gore were prepared.

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I mean some of the recuts changed the film pretty substantially but I largely give it a pass since it was just rejiggering what was already there versus going in and digitally altering things.

I mean on the one hand I get that Lucas wanted to fix all the things that he never had the time and budget to get right originally. Things like hiding obvious wires, making the light sabers look better, and so on aren’t really things I can protest (although I understand the desire for ā€œpurityā€ since the originals with all their flaws have a charm of their own). But he just couldn’t stop there and kept messing with things that didn’t need messing with.

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So, two episodes into The Mandalorian, and I’m on board. Good low-stakes adventures that tie into the larger picture. And that bounty…

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Yes! Especially when the justification is something like, ā€œwell we shot that scene, but it got edited outā€.

THINGS GET EDITED OUT FOR GOOD REASONS, GEORGE.

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Sad as it is, few actually want to see the ā€œdefinitiveā€ 4 hour cut of a film. For one that I really love I would, because I’m a film nerd, but most don’t have the time or patience. There’s usually a good reason for leaving scenes out. I rarely watch the deleted scenes for a movie and think to myself, ā€œhot damn what were they thinking by leaving that out!ā€

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Finished watching two seasons of Shtisel, a well-acted Israeli show about a Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) family in Jerusalem. The characters are human and relatable, especially the boundary-pushing by the younger generation, but the culture they are trying to navigate is (to me) as alien as anything on Star Trek.

Apparently this was a huge hit in Israel, even watched by Haredim, who aren’t supposed to have TVs.

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Totally agree, although I really would love to see the 5 hour version of Wim Wenders’ Until the End of the World. Having seen the cinematic release version, I think it would have worked much better as a miniseries.

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At least the miniseries version of Yor, the Hunter from the Future got a release.

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Not often you see that many phallic rock formations all in one place.

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We didn’t have anything to compare it to, but yes, the VHS version left nothing to the imagination

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