About Languages

I was bit confused by that headline. Weirdly in Greenlandic and Finnish the word for democrats is written identically.

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https://archive.ph/1jzNu

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The alien is asking whether he can pay with travelers checks. The Starfleet pilot respondss with “Limerick, Dublin”

How silly

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Doing some browsing before i get back into work mode. I see an article on Polygon titled Bring back the 2000s-era sci-fi flopbuster, i’m amused at the word play. I switch browser tabs and i’m staring at Elsewhere Cafe. A single clear word floats into my mind


Flopulence (cue pretentious perfume commercial)

I chuckle at the absurdity of the word, and also make a note to myself to use it sometime soon.

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So I was looking at this post on my phone

and, as I usually do, I watched the video in an incognito tab so it doesn’t fuck up my algorithm.
This time this Mark Rober video played completely dubbed into German, obviously by AI technology (although pretty convincingly, annoying cheerful YouTuber voice and all!).

I hate this sort of thing, so I went to turn it off in the video menu: there is absolutely no way to do so. YouTube apparently forces you to watch videos in your system language, at least when you’re not logged in! This is horrible.

I think one of the aspects of the “AI revolution” we haven’t talked about a lot is that this will mean multilingualism in the world’s youth will atrophy. The reason the Scandinavian countries were for a long time much better than the bigger European countries at speaking English was that their markets were too small for dubbing and for local productions to be worth it, so children grew up hearing (subtitled) English. This has changed with the streaming and YouTube revolutions, and levels of competency are levelling out across the continent. I fear that this sort of AI “assistive” technology will make us all into linguistic islands again.

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I was surprised by the video in Portuguese. For a moment I thought it was a cut from an episode of a Discovery Channel show.

I speak English poorly, without any fluency and with a vocabulary equivalent to that of a 5-year-old child. I confess that out of insecurity and laziness I even use an online translator.more than Id should. But I recognize that this hinders my ability to write properly.

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Yeah, this sort of thing doesn’t solve your problem, if anything, it makes it worse. Obviously, they are working towards a future where we don’t need to know another language. You would be writing this in Portuguese, and I in German, and if we met, we would have our phones as a universal real-time translator. It wouldn’t even go via English anymore, there wouldn’t be any “authoritative version” of a forum like this, everyone would just write in whatever language, and every user would see a version in their own language.

But we have to ask ourselves if that is something we actually want. I enjoy learning and knowing different languages. It adds to brain plasticity. I really fear that once we don’t have to express ourselves in foreign languages anymore, we just slip into a vegetative state. Especially, if all our other communication work (such as composing longer texts) is taken over by generative AI, which will also summarise anything that’s too long or complicated to read.

Not to mention that no translation is ever perfect. Not even the best AI system can translate all the nuances of the original, because not even the best human translator can. Something is always lost in translation. Why would I want that when I’m perfectly capable of watching the original?

Of course, what we want doesn’t matter anymore. YouTube just dubs a video without the option of turning it off. We get what tech companies say we get. And they want this future.

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I googled to see whether others had the same problem (of course they do!) and this Reddit comment by /u/drArsMoriendi says it all:

I legitimately think that youtube as an american company doesn’t understand multilingualism. It’s kinda racist. I voted with my wallet and cancelled premium over its language settings, which feels insane to say

I’ve seen that with Google products a lot: they always assume that’s every user speaks just one language and that they want everything in that language, without exception.

Shit on Microsoft all you want, at least they understand their users might work with different languages, and Windows and the office suite usually have no problem seamlessly switching between different keyboard layouts, autocorrect dictionaries and language settings. It’s all just one press of alt & shift away.

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I’ll bet your English is better than my daughter’s Brazilian Portuguese.

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Some Portuguese people are a bit upset because our variant of the language is changing the way they speak. They say that Brazilian TV shows, YouTube influencers and Tik Tok dancers have been messing with the minds of younger Portuguese people. I remember reading a statement from a mother from Lisbon who used to leave her son in the care of a smartphone and was shocked to find a little boy from Rio speaking to her in fluent Portuguese from Rio de Janeiro.

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Why does your daughter speak portuguese?

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Too bad is all i can say. Language is meant to change, and i would say it’s culturally healthy and even necessary. Yeah it can make things kind of messy, but as a Spanish speaker i’m used to adjusting how i speak when talking to folks from other Spanish speaking countries/regions. There’s such a huge variation in regional dialects, slangs, etc but we still communicate just fine.

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The Portuguese equivalent of the Peppa Pig effect

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Oh yes. It is a mix of xenophobia, national pride and loss of relevance.

Sometimes is hard to understand the portuguese accent
 Sometimes is easier understanding Galician.

This guy, a famous Youtuber in both sides of the Atlantic, had do dub His videos in the european variant of Portuguese.